What can one expect from an eastern European overwhelmingly catholic country, unlike Spain? No surprise there!
well, that’s weird, especially considering how much porn they produce.
Neither Parliament nor the Constitutional Court or the overwhelming majority of the LGBT community produce much gay porn in Hungary. That might help Rick put the story a bit more into context.
As a gay Catholic living in Hungary I do hope that one can expect more from us. I hope we can become a better performing Catholic Eastern European country like the Czech Republic for instance.
For one, I was surprised by the court’s ruling. I am glad that prime minister has already instructed the minister of justice to draft a bill on civil partnerships for gay couples that will conform to this verdit. Unfortunately given the bad public attitude toward LGBT people in Hungary I do not think this bill will pass though and this could mean that we will have to wait another 6 years for such legislation.
Writing derogratory comments about Hungary will not help us in any way though.
Andy – I agree that there is no point in making too many derogatory comments about Hungary but … you cannot be a gay Catholic. The Catholic church considers gay sex even within the context of a committed marital relationship as “inherently disordered”. By being gay you cannot honestly be a practising catholic (unless you acceopt an obligation of celibacy) and you cannot honour and respect the gay part of your identity unless you give up a religion that has (to be put it mildly) got it in for us! Give up catholicism it isn’t worth it:-)
Harry, I am a selective Catholic. I care about the traditions of worhsip that my family have followed for centuries and I do not care about the evil institution that is currently in charge of them. I do not think anyone has the right to say that I cannot be a gay Catholic. Neither the church nor a gay person.
Andy, you say ” I am a selective Catholic. I care about the traditions of worhsip that my family have followed for centuries and I do not care about the evil institution that is currently in charge of them”
Just following the traditions of worship seems very superficial.
How about the explicit commandments and pronouncements of
the Gospel which present the essence to being a Catholic
Do you not read the Bible for what Jesus and the Apostles preached
but just attend for the sake of tradition? You indeed seem to be a very selective Catholic , and I don’t see where you get any
spiritual benefit from being a Catholic.
Hank, How could you see how my being Catholic brings spiritual benefit to me??? You do not even know me. I read the Bible and I go to service for the sake of tradition at the same time. I am grateful for God’s gifts and I believe that God’s love is reflected in my love for my boyfriend. I do not think that being gay is against God’s will and I am convinced by all the arguments out there that the parts of scripture that are frequently quoted as anti-gay have been misinterpreted. I disagree with the policies of the institution called the Catholic Church in many instances and I think many of its social views are reactionary. Nevertheless I rejoice in participating in my very local and very specific community. Does that make sense to you? If it does not, can you imagine that it makes sense to me?
You say, ”
Hank, How could you see how my being Catholic brings spiritual benefit to me??? You do not even know me. I read the Bible and I go to service for the sake of tradition at the same time.
I can’t see how you can “pick and choose” from your Bible and
not believe most other parts of the Bible and still consider
yourself a Catholic. I think you tread on very dangerous
spriitual ground when you, yourself act as sovereign as to what
God says, as opposed to what you say it truth. Which Catholics
do you use for your discernment on truth in the Bible and
falseness in the Bible?
I am grateful for God’s gifts and I believe that God’s love is reflected in my love for my boyfriend. I do not think that being gay is against God’s will and I am convinced by all the arguments out there that the parts of scripture that are frequently quoted as anti-gay have been misinterpreted.
I disagree with your interpretation of the meaning of homosexuality
in the Holy Bible. Where do you find any actual justification for
homosexuality in the Bible? I think it’s clear that there are
abominations in God’s eyes, and they’re listed clearly in various
parts of Scripture.
I disagree with the policies of the institution called the Catholic Church.
If they’re so offensive to you, why do you continue following the
Catholic Church — seems to me you’re living a false witness
when you tell people you’re a Catholic — give it up and be true
to yourself rather then have 1 foot in and 1 foot out.
There’s a lot more to discuss if you’d like.
Hey Hank, I think the word disagree sums up pretty well what is going on between us. Thank you for offering further insight but I do not think any explanation could eliminate this disagreement. I do not really mind if you do not consider me a Catholic as long as you do not deny my right to consider myself one. Even if you deny my right to do so, there is not much I can or would want to do about it is there? Thank you once again for sharing your views. Peace.
Well, this is a worrying trend in Hungary, although hopefully not too much capital will be made of it my the political class. The media here tend to shy away from any controversial gay stories, or positive ones. In fact, there is usually a dearth of reporting on gay issues in the mainstream media. index.hu however provides more independent coverage of pride etc. Although I have no idea what to make of the most recent article in the Budapest Times: http://tinyurl.com/6hudoc2