“There’s a harm caused when you go outside the natural order.”
Effing define NATURAL please?
“The natural order…” And why, pray tell, does Mr. Marsh think nature put gay people on the planet? Maybe to provide a much-needed balance and harmony with people like himself?
Easy, ‘Commander Thor’. Natural means marriage between one man and one woman, and sex only within these boundaries.
And Edward, you are deluded. Nature did not put gay people on the planet, you have no evidence for this except your opinion. Gay people choose their lifestyle. Being gay is not genetically proven, in fact it has been comprehensively disproven, yet gay people choose to live in a state of denial. You can choose not to be gay. Every day, the choice is yours and to turn away from a gay lifestyle is to return to the free and good state you were endowed with.
People, friends, why not read the publication first before judging?
Mr Marsh is an ambassador for Aussie men and men the world over, whether endorsed by the government or not. He cares deeply for all men.
Yet, the facts still speak for themselves, the gay lifestyle is inherently wrong, utterly destructive and seeps out of the bedroom and directly into society.
It is not gays themselves that are being hilighted as a cause for concern, but the gay agenda.
After all, 1.5% of this gay population want free-speech, but – it seems – at the expense of 98.5%’s right to free speech. This is crazy and is hardly ‘balance’, is it ‘Edward in L.A.’?
This has nothing to do with Mr Marsh and everything to do with yet another government bungling and mishandling of a very important issue.
Labour are way too close to Green policies to be comfortable and should be hounded out of office for actions such as this. It is Mrs Roxon herself who is inappropriate and abhorrent.
“Easy, ‘Commander Thor’. Natural means marriage between one man and one woman, and sex only within these boundaries.
And Edward, you are deluded. Nature did not put gay people on the planet, you have no evidence for this except your opinion. Gay people choose their lifestyle. Being gay is not genetically proven, in fact it has been comprehensively disproven, yet gay people choose to live in a state of denial. You can choose not to be gay. Every day, the choice is yours and to turn away from a gay lifestyle is to return to the free and good state you were endowed with.”
JP Where do I even begin sorting through the mountain of bullcrap you just unloaded in one big heap right here? There are so many apriori asumptions and assertions by fiat that I could fill a book with them.
First off, gay people are as natural as the many gay animals who never picked up a bible.
“Yet, the facts still speak for themselves, the gay lifestyle is inherently wrong, utterly destructive and seeps out of the bedroom and directly into society.”
Why? “Because they just are” won’t cut the mustard. The only thing we’re destroying is paradigms. If you can point to your paradigm and show emperical evidence of anything involving harm, I’ll take it all back. I know you’d be happier if gay people cowered in a closet, but that says more about you than it says about us. As for your assertion that natural causes have been comprehensively disproven, that is a gross extortion of scientific research outside the umbrella of right wing christian thinktanks. Right wing xtian thinktanks are about as scientific as believing in the toothfairy.
Read scientific research that has been independantly peer reviewed by PROFFESSIONAL scientists and come back when you’ve learned something.
“Gay people choose their lifestyle. Being gay is not genetically proven, in fact it has been comprehensively disproven, yet gay people choose to live in a state of denial. You can choose not to be gay.”
Ummm, when did I miss that? I do pride myself in keeping up to date with these sorts monumental discoveries and I’ve yet to come across ANYTHING that has comprehensively proven that being gay is a just a choice. I’m sure all GLBTI people would far rather choose not to have to put up with the kinds of ranting as demonstrated above by JP.
JP (and all the other right wingers on the site) this is not a forum for religious/right-wing propaganda, this is a gay news site. You would do well to stop persecuting minorities to reaffirm your own beliefs and instead gather enough FACTUAL evidence to make up your own mind about the issue – and by factual I mean scientific study that is not endorsed or biased by right wing funding. Good luck, I think you will need it – this is a gay news site not a forum to post right-wing propaganda!
JP is a very stupid person. He says the following:
“Being gay is not genetically proven, in fact it has been comprehensively disproven.”
The name and date and author of the report that comprehensively disproves this please?
“Nature did not put gay people on the planet”
Who or what did then?
“You can choose not to be gay. ”
At what age were YOU when you had the debate with yourself as to whether you were gay or straight? If sexuality is a choice then at what point did YOU decide to be sexually attracted to women more than men.
“After all, 1.5% of this gay population want free-speech, but – it seems – at the expense of 98.5%’s right to free speech.”
Sources for these percentages please?
People like you are very weird. You seem to think that Warwick Marsh’s freedom of speech has been compromised?
But surely you accept that freedom of speech is merely the right to express yourself how you like. In what way has Marsh’s freedom been compromised. He expressed his opinion freely. That opinion however makes him unsuitable to hold government office. Facist ideologies like racial superiority or sexual superiority renders people with those opinions unsuitable for office in a modern democracy. However the fact that Marsh has been removed from his position because of his facist sympathies doesn’t mean his freedom of speech has been compromised in any way.
Simon Murphy is right. We all have freedom of speech but we must accept the consequences of our actions. The norfolk police man was free to express his christian beliefs but not at the expense of harassment and denigration of his fellow officers. These mens health ambassadors were there to be ambassadors for all mens health not just the heterosexual. How could gay men have any confidence in their ability to represent their health interests with such attitudes. I believe Christians should accept the consequences of expressing their views, that they may hurt others and that it is no longer acceptable to harass, denigrate and discriminate against others in a professional or commercial capacity. This means they should provide the same level of services that they would for heterosexuals. This does not take away their right to dissaprove. I am apalled at Christians complaining that their rights are taken away because they are restricted in taking away the rights of others. It is unprofessional and mean spirited to put their percieved right to treat some people badly or less favourably above the rights to equality of those they are treating badly. Invariably it is about selectively picking on gay people as the worst possible thing and forgetting other theological imperatives. the inconsistency shows their behaviour for what it is routed in bigotry.
i love these morons who twitter on about the gay “agenda”. I’ve been gay for a good, very good actually, 40 years, and i’ve never in all the gay clubs/bars/guesthouses etc i’ve visited in many different countries been shown an “agenda”. Also i would guess i’ve known/slept with hundreds of other gay men over the years, and none of them had a copy either. I’d love to know what’s on it, and why is it that only bigotted heterosexuals seem to possess a copy? Maybe JP, you’d like to post the “agenda” on this site for us, i’d like to see what your paranoid tiny little mind thinks we’re upto, other than just wanting to get on with our lifes with the same rights as everyone else. Poor guy, you must be so disattisfied with your own lifestyle/choices to be wasting time obsessing about ours!
unnatural parents is an oximoron. If being a gay parent is unnatural, are you talking about virgin birth? What a child needs is a family.
One man – One woman: is a theological construct unrelated to human biology, and human society. Myth. Sexist Myth.
Science: Throughout human history, families have been defined in many different ways. That is how humanity evolved. Children don’t choose their parents, and society has throughout our evolution as a species has respected parenting, and children as family, parents and the families of parents together make family. Most children throuhout human history experienced the loss of one or more parents during childhood. Children have always been raised by whole families not by a one male-one female set. One man, one woman and two and a quarter kids is not a family. It is an abstract with no meaning in real life.
What is important is that children know their family loves them, and all the research shows that the children of gay parents are healthy, balanced, socially skilled. If anything, the children of gay parents are better skilled in dealing with multicultural society. That is the research.
One man – one woman is a theological construct having nothing to do with scientific fact. Calling gay people sick is just pure hate speech completely bankrupt of scientific meaning.
” Labour are way too close to Green policies to be comfortable ”
Talk about unnatural, it is unnatural to be Green! SUVs are a god given right too. That is what happens when science is trumped by theocracy, and making a buck.
These are the same people who used to say that the Bible orders people to make other people slaves and ostracize people with discolored skin and not to raise a pinky to help a neighbor on the Sabbath. Jesus calls them whitewashed tombs. Actually.
They only get their joy from forcing others into their own narrow mold. And God knows what they call science but it is amazing that all their science seems to be in favor of men as machismo. It doesn’t actually make life better for most men to have to be in charge all the time.
If i was running a gay news blog site like pink news, I would be happy for the odd bigot to post comments – look at the voices of reason that come crashing down on them. Our two worlds are changing places: religious right wingers are the ones headed for the mental disorder and the gays are headed for enlightenment. Lets not feed these trolls, keep replies short and to the point… and try to keep comments on topic. whoops i think i failed on that one ;)
THE GAY AGENDA, ONCE AND FOR ALL:
Thanks to Betty Bowers, homosexuals’ sneaky little secrets are now revealed to the godly:
THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA!
As every Christian knows, there is only one enemy that threatens our entire civilization. And I am, of course, not talking about Satan. I’m talking about those damned homosexuals! Yes, they give otherwise dull hair radiant highlights and our imperfect décor those fabulous flourishes that elude our more predictable heterosexual sensibilities, but at what price? In exchange for a little panache, we allow homosexuals to steal our children and destroy our Christian marriages. And how do they do this? With their secret masterplan — The Homosexual Agenda!
Many a well-intentioned person has asked me, “Betty, what exactly is The Homosexual Agenda?” Well, if you have to ask, you are probably already under its pernicious influence and blithely hop-scotching your way straight to Hell. Nevertheless, the details of The Homosexual Agenda have — up until this day — been kept more secret than the nature of John Travolta’s and Tom Cruise’s marriages. But I am pleased to announce that through innumerable free vodka sea-breezes and some artful Christian skullduggery, I have gotten my hands on an authentic copy of The Homosexual Agenda. Praise the Lord!
I have had my secretaries, Miss Anne Thrope and Anita Priceczech, transcribe The Homosexual Agenda from the back of a used cocktail napkin (the original is to be placed in the Smithsonian Institute) for your convenient reference. Never again shall we be surprised by what these malevolent Nancy Boys are up to. While they may still be able to surprise us with a cunningly perfect piece of Chinese porcelain for our Biederimeier end-table, they will never again be able to surreptitiously take over our culture, families and prime-time television without God-fearing Christians being one step ahead of them! Praise the Lord!
The Homosexual Agenda
8:00 a.m. Wake up. Wonder where you are.
8:01 a.m. Realize you are lying on 100 percent cotton sheets of at least a 300 count, so don’t panic; you’re not slumming.
8:02 a.m. Realize you are actually in your own bed for a change. Wake stranger next to you and tell them you are late for work so won’t be able to cook breakfast for them. Mutter “sorry” as you help him look for his far-flung underwear. You find out that you tore his boxers while ripping them off him last night, so you “loan” him a pair of boxer-briefs, but not the new ones because you never intend to see him again.
8:05 a.m. Tell the stranger, whose name eludes you, “It was fun. I’ll give you a call,” as you usher him out the door, avoiding his egregious morning-breath.
8:06 a.m. Crumple and dispose of the piece of paper with his telephone number on it when you get to the kitchen.
8:07 a.m. Make a high protein breakfast while watching the Today show. Wonder if the stories you’ve heard about Matt Lauer are true. Decide they must be.
8:30 a.m. Italian or domestic? Decide to go with three-button Italian and the only shirt that is clean.
8:45 a.m. Climb into red Z4 and try not to look too much like Barbie driving one of her accessories as you pull out of your underground parking. Revos or Armanis? Go with Revos.
9:35 a.m. Stroll into office.
9:36 a.m. Close door to office and call best friend and laugh about the guy who spent the night at your condo. Point out something annoying about best friend’s boyfriend but quickly add “It doesn’t matter what everyone else thinks, just as long as you love him.”
10:15 a.m. Leave office, telling your secretary you are “meeting with a client.” Pretend not to notice her insubordinate roll of her eyes (or the cloying “poem” she has tacked to her cubicle wall).
10:30 a.m. Hair appointment for lowlights and cut. Purchase of Aveda anti-humectant pomade.
11:30 a.m. Run into personal trainer at gym. Pester him about getting you Human Growth Hormone. Spend 30 minutes talking to friends on your cell phone while using Hammer Strength machines, preparing a mental-matrix of which circuit parties everyone is going to and which are now passe.
12:00pm Tan. Schedule back-waxing in time for Saturday party where you know you will end up shirtless.
12:30 p.m. Pay trainer for anabolic steroids and schedule a workout. Shower, taking ten minutes to knot your tie while you check-out your best friend’s boyfriend undress with the calculation of someone used to wearing a t-back and having dollars stuffed in their crotch.
1:00 p.m. Meet someone for whom you only know his waist, chest and penis size from AOL M4M chat for lunch at a hot, new restaurant. Because the maître d’ recognizes you from a gay bar, you are whisked past the Christian heterosexual couples who have been waiting patiently for a table since 12:30.
2:30 p.m. “Dessert at your place.” Find out, once again, people lie on AOL.
3:33 p.m. Assume complete control of the U.S., state, and local governments (in addition to other nations’ governments); destroy all healthy Christian marriages; recruit all children grades Kindergarten through 12 into your amoral, filthy lifestyle; secure complete control of the media, starting with sitcoms; molest innocent children; give AIDS to as many people as you can; host a pornographic “art” exhibit at your local art museum; and turn people away from Jesus, causing them to burn forever in Hell.
4:10 p.m. Time permitting, bring about the general decline of Western Civilization and look like you are having way too much fun doing it.
4:30 p.m. Take a disco-nap to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest and being so terribly witty.
6:00 p.m. Open a fabulous new bottle of Malbec.
6:47 P.M. Bake Ketamine for weekend. Test recipe.
7:00 P.M. Go to Abercrombie & Fitch and announce in a loud voice, “Over!”
7:40 P.M. Stop looking at the photographic displays at Abercrombie & Fitch and go to a cool store to begin shopping.
8:30 p.m. Light dinner with catty homosexual friends at a restaurant you will be “over” by the time it gets its first review in the local paper.
10:30 p.m. Cocktails at a debauched gay bar, trying to avoid alcoholic queens who can’t navigate a crowd with a lit cigarette in one hand and a Stoli in a cheap plastic cup in the other. Make audible remark about how “trashy” people who still think smoking is acceptable are.
12:00 a.m. “Nightcap at your place.” Find out that people lie in bars, too.
Jesus, the above is TWISTED. Sick. Only the hate-filled could imagine it “funny”.