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Update 3: Victory for Proposition 8 as gay marriage banned in California

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  1. I’m gay and live in homophobic Kansas, USA. I believe that gay marriage is completely legal everywhere in the country, however,
    gays have been using the wrong argument. Marriage is a form of speech. It is a formal declaration and is protected by the first ammendment to the U.S.Constitution. I don’t think that you will find very many people in this country that are willing to do away with the citizens right to free speech. Gays need to change their tactics.

  2. I am not from California, but I know, whatever the outcome, it does not matter with whom one is in love. As long as that love is true and pure.

    I would like people to read the article “When Marriage Between Gays Was a Rite” by Jim Duffy, Irish Times 1998. Put it into Goggle.

    The final outcome of this ballot may not be published yet, but I hope that this article will bring some inspiration/encouragement to everyone anywhere in the world, on the matter of gay marriage.

  3. Steve Hope 6 Nov 2008, 11:12am

    And this in one of the most ‘liberal’ states in the Union! It all goes to show that the real divide in America today is not between states, but between the rural and urban cultures. Fred C’s idea is ingenious and may have some mileage – otherwise we’ll have to hope that the election of Obama could herald a new era of Civil Rights legislation at Federal level as in the 1960’s, when a lot of racist state laws were swept away by Washington.

  4. Thelea Draganic 6 Nov 2008, 5:36pm

    I am upset about this erroneous finger pointing at African-Americans regarding Proposition 8.

    “Religious organizations that support Proposition 8 include the Roman Catholic Church], Knights of Columbus, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson, American Family Association, Focus on the Family[and the National Organization for Marriage Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, California’s largest, has also endorsed the measure. The Bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) has publicly supported the proposition and encouraged their membership to support it, by asking its members to donate money and volunteer time. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter read in every congregation. Latter-day Saints have provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California. About 45% of out-of-state contributions to Protect Marriage.com has come from Utah, over three times more than any other state.”
    Still, even though gays were fighting to preserve a basic right, it was the anti-equality side in California that seemed to have the most fervor. A symbolic low point for the gay side came on Oct. 13, when the Sacramento Bee ran a remarkable story about Rick and Pam Patterson, a Mormon couple of modest means – he drives a 10-year-old Honda Civic, she raises their five boys – who had withdrawn $50,000 from their savings account and given it to the pro-8 campaign. “It was a decision we made very prayerfully,” Pam Patterson, 48, told the Bee’s Jennifer Garza. “Was it an easy decision? No. But it was a clear decision, one that had so much potential to benefit our children and their children.”

    This is your enemy. Don’t trust exit polls taken when many of these same groups taking them were angry with African-Americans about Obama beating their Christian Right coalition messiah ie Sarah Palin. I think they are pitting one group against the other. Note that they also targeted affirmative action for eradication in another state.
    Rather than be upset at the phantom African-American menace, put forth a gay candidate for office and fight like hell. No one gave Obama anything and they will not give gays anything either. Obama stands on the shoulders of a lot of brave people who gave their lives for himto stand on that podium last night.

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