and this homophobe was a cabinet minister and a frontbencher: it just goes to show that a lot of lip service is paid to our rights, but they will always be trumped by religion as society is constituted: ie a lifestyle choice takes priority over equality
You will not be missed Kelly could you not go now and do the country a favour. We need a candidate to run for her seat. That would be the ultimate revenge!
With any luck, when she steps down she’ll disappear from public life for good. This vote of hers just goes to prove that she was homophobe all along. It amazes me just how many of these religious fanatics have infiltrated free government on both sides of the ocean…
I don’t particularly think Ruth Kelly is a ‘homophobe,’ Edward. I don’t think she had any particular animus towards gay people (including her party colleagues). Indeed, I think she could have been a positive influence in the cabinet in terms of balancing LGBT rights with those of religious groups. But she should never have been given the Equality portfolio.
I think it is regrettable that the personal religious beliefs of cabinet ministers should come under public scrutiny. This is not the United States – the creed and confession of our politicians should not be a matter for public concern.
Homophobe or not, Ruth Kelly is a self-confessed member of a controversial religious sect founded by notorious Spanish (allegedly) fascist & (allegedly) Nazi-sympathizer priest Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer. Opus Dei’s membership has also (allegedly) included supporters of the tyrannical regimes of Franco & Pinochet. This organization arouses deep concern within the RC church itself! Opus Dei Awareness Network (ODAN) cites concerns about:
Corporal mortification
Aggressive recruitment & undue pressure to join
Lack of informed consent & control of environment
Alienation from families
Were it not a sect WITHIN the body of a large religious grouping, it might well have been branded a cult.
Where personal religious or cultic commitments are likely to affect the MP or Minister’s ability to represent their constituency effectively, or to implement the Party’s manifesto commitments, these MUST be of public concern, and SHOULD be disclosed fully.
Excellent research and reporting, robfox66. Except for the tongue in cheek (allegedly) parts. I don’t think there’s much doubt that the Opus Dei is the Church Militant with a twisted cross. When they made Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer a saint it was proof that he’d been an active fascist. When one of their thousands of child rapists or other criminals is exposed they hot foot it over to refuge in the Vatican if alive, or become saints if dead. Opus Dei has been an integral part of the fascist subculture for decades. They’re currently working with the CIA and other vermin trying illegally overthrow the Venezuelan government.
Not only are they a cult but so are all large groups founded on superstition. Most of these people dance on the border between sanity and insanity and quite of trip. That may be truer of catholics and shiites than it is of philosophical buddhists and quakers but all of them share an ability to believe ten quirky, strange, illogical and utterly ridiculous things before breakfast and they get worse as the day wears on.
They consciously choose their aberrant lifestyles and it causes many of them to form delusional hatreds of women, gay men and others who threaten the wealth of the hierarchy by being living proof that they delusional beliefs are wrong.
rjb – anyone who empowers bigotry and panders to bigotry IS a bigot. In spite of her gender, and because of her supersites beliefs, she most certainly is both a homophobe and a misogynist. Virtually all superstitious people are.
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and this homophobe was a cabinet minister and a frontbencher: it just goes to show that a lot of lip service is paid to our rights, but they will always be trumped by religion as society is constituted: ie a lifestyle choice takes priority over equality
You will not be missed Kelly could you not go now and do the country a favour. We need a candidate to run for her seat. That would be the ultimate revenge!
With any luck, when she steps down she’ll disappear from public life for good. This vote of hers just goes to prove that she was homophobe all along. It amazes me just how many of these religious fanatics have infiltrated free government on both sides of the ocean…
I don’t particularly think Ruth Kelly is a ‘homophobe,’ Edward. I don’t think she had any particular animus towards gay people (including her party colleagues). Indeed, I think she could have been a positive influence in the cabinet in terms of balancing LGBT rights with those of religious groups. But she should never have been given the Equality portfolio.
I think it is regrettable that the personal religious beliefs of cabinet ministers should come under public scrutiny. This is not the United States – the creed and confession of our politicians should not be a matter for public concern.
Homophobe or not, Ruth Kelly is a self-confessed member of a controversial religious sect founded by notorious Spanish (allegedly) fascist & (allegedly) Nazi-sympathizer priest Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer. Opus Dei’s membership has also (allegedly) included supporters of the tyrannical regimes of Franco & Pinochet. This organization arouses deep concern within the RC church itself! Opus Dei Awareness Network (ODAN) cites concerns about:
Corporal mortification
Aggressive recruitment & undue pressure to join
Lack of informed consent & control of environment
Alienation from families
Were it not a sect WITHIN the body of a large religious grouping, it might well have been branded a cult.
Where personal religious or cultic commitments are likely to affect the MP or Minister’s ability to represent their constituency effectively, or to implement the Party’s manifesto commitments, these MUST be of public concern, and SHOULD be disclosed fully.
Excellent research and reporting, robfox66. Except for the tongue in cheek (allegedly) parts. I don’t think there’s much doubt that the Opus Dei is the Church Militant with a twisted cross. When they made Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer a saint it was proof that he’d been an active fascist. When one of their thousands of child rapists or other criminals is exposed they hot foot it over to refuge in the Vatican if alive, or become saints if dead. Opus Dei has been an integral part of the fascist subculture for decades. They’re currently working with the CIA and other vermin trying illegally overthrow the Venezuelan government.
Not only are they a cult but so are all large groups founded on superstition. Most of these people dance on the border between sanity and insanity and quite of trip. That may be truer of catholics and shiites than it is of philosophical buddhists and quakers but all of them share an ability to believe ten quirky, strange, illogical and utterly ridiculous things before breakfast and they get worse as the day wears on.
They consciously choose their aberrant lifestyles and it causes many of them to form delusional hatreds of women, gay men and others who threaten the wealth of the hierarchy by being living proof that they delusional beliefs are wrong.
rjb – anyone who empowers bigotry and panders to bigotry IS a bigot. In spite of her gender, and because of her supersites beliefs, she most certainly is both a homophobe and a misogynist. Virtually all superstitious people are.