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  1. I’m sure that people who send their kids to a lesbian’s wedding know about her sexual preferences, so why should any outsider with a grain of common sense and decency complain? I guess that Chip White has neither…

  2. I really don’t get all the opposition to same-sex marriage … have these people no lives of their own that they have time and energy to poke their homophobic noses into other people’s business. Who my neighbour marries has nothing whatsoever to do with me, just as who I might marry is none of their business. I don’t know what the ‘law’ is in California but in the UK parental permission is required for school field trips – if parental consent is given then Chip White has no argument.
    Then consider what the children might have got out of the experience – they’ll have seen two people pledge to love, honour and respect each other in good time and bad, in sickness and health, etc., that’s surely way too dangerous to expose young kids to.
    I suppose Chip White and his fellow-travellers would rather these children listen to him/them and learn to hate without reason, to sit in self-righteous judgement without reason, to condemn without reason?

  3. not content with wanting to ban us gays from marrying, they now want to stop our supporters supporting us.

    Exemplars of totalitarian theocracy

  4. Lest hope that the same sex marriage deal makes lots of noise now – and then we dont talk about it anymore
    Can see why some straight couple feel that same sex marriage will take the value of marriage – is marriage that fragile in the straight world ???

  5. God forbid, parents teaching their children not to be homophobic?! What scandal!

    Same old trite from the “pro-family” lobby.

  6. “It’s just utterly unreasonable that a public school field trip would be to a same-sex wedding”.. yeah I can understand that.. it must be horrible to see two adults conducting themselves in a way that show’s they’re happy – oooh, I quiver at the thought of it! Children need to see more abuse, hatred and aggression!

  7. Hey Andrew:

    You say,”God forbid, parents teaching their children not to be homophobic?! What scandal!

    Same old trite from the “pro-family” lobby.

    How about families having their children grow up with long
    established religious beliefs — sinful behavior in adultery,
    greed, murder, lying, idolatry…etc.
    Do you deny them the rights to pass on their belief system?

    Don’t forget that the Holy Bible has wonderful daily principles
    that make our modern-day civilization work — if only more people
    followed them, we wouldn’t have pornography, murder, drug abuse,
    child abuse, divorce, genocide, etc. — all the hideous things
    that mankind can think of, they act out.
    Don’t forget that homosexuality is not inborn — there are many
    factors that work to make a homosexual lifestyle — social,
    psychological, medical, environmental, group pressures, etc.
    that go into someone being homosexual. There’s never been a
    legitimate study to show there is a “homosexual gene” or any other
    biolgical/physical factor that makes a person homosexual. There
    might be some early tendencies for mixed feelings about sexuality
    but those are mostly stated by people and it’s ancetdotal and
    not scientifically factual.

  8. Yes, long held religious beliefs like slavery, the subjugation of women and stoning adulterers.

  9. Hank, can you identify the day you “chose” to be heterosexual? Your supposition that being attracted to the same sex must not have any biological basis because you have not heard of any studies identifying a specific “homosexual gene” is based on your speculation. The Old Testament passages to which you refer also require slaves to honor their masters and putting children to death who curse their parents. Do you wish to see those Biblical commandments carried out or do you wish to simply cherry-pick and enforce only the ones you like?

  10. Dear Hank,
    Sorry is that too “gay” for you?
    I would like to invoke an old newsgroup saying…
    “Don’t feed the Troll”

    You make so many “mis-statements”, that your only purpose must be to inflame people.

    Jock… Straight (not narrow)… and informed on homosexuality.

  11. Edward in Los Angeles 14 Oct 2008, 8:08pm

    Hank, just a question: if you’re so sure a homosexual gene doesn’t exist, what makes you think a heterosexual gene exists?…

  12. Hey Jack
    You say”You make so many “mis-statements”, that your only purpose must be to inflame people.”

    Please specify which statements I’ve made are in error. Also
    please cite your evidence for your”true” statements so I can
    be corrected. Don’t just give me your opinions, I need facts
    because I don’t think there are any to back your position.

    Hey Edward:

    You say, “Hank, just a question: if you’re so sure a homosexual gene doesn’t exist, what makes you think a heterosexual gene exists?…

    Simple: If you believe in evolution or a “natural selectiion”
    theory, there’s no other basis for mankind to “evolve” or
    progress, or grow if it didn’t have an “internal desire” to
    procreate and keep its species alive and expanding.
    Also look at all cultures and societies, they all have a
    natural drive to have sex between man and woman so their
    group will grow and develop.
    My belief system is evidenced by the Genesis writings telling
    Adam and Eve to “know” each other and let mankind expand
    throughout the world.

    Also looking at civilized history, there’s always been a slight
    minority (2-3%) that lived a homosexual lifestyle. Even in
    earlier history, the majority of people looked on these 2-3%
    of behavior was tolerated but “out of ordinary life.’ Many
    of those cultures promoted sex with children as an introduction
    to “manhood” but it was never accepted that it was the norm
    in civilized living.

    I am not opposed to same-sex unions if that’s the way this
    world wants to look at homosexual living, but I do opject
    to homosexual activists working to overthrow the established
    marriage acceptance of a man and a woman.

    Homosexuals comprise a minority 2-3% and yet they want to
    have their position dominate the 5,000 year old standing of
    98% of people since the established civilized world.
    I can’t accept your drive to want to rewrite the ceremony
    of marriage.

    I know that if you got your way and had “homosexual marriage”
    be on the level of man/woman marriage, it wouldn’t be many
    years before marriage would include 3 men, 2 men 1 woman,
    3 men 2 women — what’s to prevent the entire concept of
    marriage being changed until it’s a worthless ceremony?

  13. Hank,to be honest, its not of your business if gay people want to get married or not. If nowadays a wacko would say the same thing bout interracial marriage, I bet the reaction would be very different. Plus, even it homosexuality was unconsciously developed.. would you really apply a separate but equal ideology for them? It´s just not fair. What, its not in their genes and they will pass it on to you? Dont think so

  14. you don’t make the rules for other people to get married. period.

  15. BTW, why are you in a gay news site if you are so “normal”?

  16. OK…then who makes the rules for people to get married?
    Are you saying I can’t express my feelings or opinion?
    Thought I had a right to do so in our country, or do you
    want to take away my privilge?

  17. of course you have the right to say what you want. Fred Phelps can say what he wants (I assume you know who he is).
    But reality differs a lot from a single person’s point of view. You may say “I want slavery to be legal again”, but in the end you don’t decide, the majority does. And I think the majority in California is showing they want full equality for all Americans.

  18. You said, “And I think the majority in California is showing they want full equality for all Americans.”

    I disagree with you totally and expect CA to vote to ban
    same-sex marriage. Even though CA many times sets the next
    trend, the majority will still vote to make marriage
    between a man and a woman, as will Florida.

  19. Wim from the Netherlands 15 Oct 2008, 9:35am

    People with a very very old book at home will uninvited tell us who may love who and especially who may not love eachother.

  20. Ah, Hank. Back again with your silly and childish rhetoric? You must have the slowest form of lung cancer on the planet.

    I simply love your line “My belief system is evidenced by the Genesis writings telling Adam and Eve”, which translates to “I support incest”

    While I’m sure you quite enjoy a good old fumble with your sister, I’m afraid that is not “natural”… siblings (like Adam’s offspring) are not supposed to “do it” with each other… their kids will end up deformities, rather like yourself with your wide range of genetic dysfunctions… and , yes, you gave us a real boo-hoo story before about all your little “problems”… still no excuse for your level of stupidity.

    Now, I’ve told you before you unedcuated muppet, that we’re not interested here in your brand of 16th century brand of homophobia and religious hate. No converts for you here, and there will never be.

  21. “slight minority (2-3%) that lived a homosexual lifestyle”

    No source cited, and hence a nonsense figure.

    “Don’t forget that homosexuality is not inborn”

    Who said? You? You’re not a scientist Hank, just a small man in a world you don’t understand. This statement is again made up nonsense.

    You are full of tripe Hank. Its better to be thought of as a foll, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt, as you have clearly done here. I would suggest you read more, and not the bigoted tripe you are currently getting your small views from.

    You sir, are a buffoon.

  22. W, what “boo-hoo” story has Hank give before?

  23. Hank: your advocacy of Biblical family values suggests a lack of awareness of the book of Genesis, the narratives of Jacob and Joseph in particular.

    Acceptance of same-sex marriage seems to me to support the concept of lifelong commitment between two people, rather than threaten it. I’d have said that the accepted polygamy of Mormonism and Islam are far greater threats.

  24. the cartoon family’s arms up in the air look like boobs.

  25. Hank- if you spend any more time trolling our website, we might have to make you an honorary gay.

  26. Ciaran, he gave some boo-hoo story about a year ago that he’s some blind albino with lung cancer…. he clearly forgot to mention that he had learning difficulties. Apparently this collection of “winning traits” gives him the right to preach this debase religious crap to us.

    This Hank freak doesn’t support rational argument… Hank is here bating people, as he has done before, to lead them along a merry dance until he can accuse you of being a paedophile. He’s done it may times before with people like Sister Mary or Robert ex-pat. It seems to makes him feel that one bit less the complete retard that he really is. Clearly all this hate towards us comes from his multiple genetic deficiencies.

    Keep your bible Hank, and in return I’ll keep my money, health, good looks, 20×20 vision, education, adorable partner, and affluent lifestyle.

  27. “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”
    H. L. Mencken
    Homosexual marriage is no more a threat to marriage than interracial marriage. And, Hank and others like you, enjoy your OWN life and stop interfering in other people’s.

  28. theotherhalf 15 Oct 2008, 3:40pm

    ‘Chip White, press secretary for the Yes on 8 campaign’

    —‘Chip’? ‘Chip’? Never trust a man without a proper first name.

    If this is the quality of the opposition then don’t worry: Natural Selection will pick out their defective Genotypes.

    (not that they believe in Natural Selection but, rather like in Law, ‘ignorance is no defense.’

  29. Tom Prosser 15 Oct 2008, 3:56pm

    “This is overt indoctrination of children who are too young to have an understanding of its purpose”

    Hmmm, this reminds me of the Church of England school I attended in my youth. o.O

  30. Hey everybody — thanks for your comments, arguments, criticism,
    etc. — I love a mental challenge on such a hot topic.

    I’m moving over the weekend, so I’ll not be able to answer all
    of you, but please have patience because I have some tough
    questions to some of you who want to argue your position about
    homosexuality, the Holy Bible, psychiatic decisions to make
    homosexuality a non-psychological problem, slavery, why I’m
    engaging people on a homosexual website…and so many really
    great topics.. it’s like being in college again and I love
    the mental stimulation — thanks everyone. I have some great
    topics to discuss but I would prefer reactions from those people
    who can contribute logical, rational, scientific, well-documented
    arguments. I’ve heard so many simple state their opionion of
    me as being a nitwit, biased bigot, idiot, moron, closet queer,
    deviant, and a hundred other adjectives — but I assure you,
    I’m a very normal, heterosexual male who has no desire to try
    homosexuality, so please refrain from all those trite accusations
    and name-callings.
    As I said I’ll be offline for the next 4-5 days while I’m moving,
    but come Wednesday, “I’ll be back.”

    Hope you all sleep well.

    Hank

  31. Just one last comment before I start moving. You ask why am
    I interested in reading/commenting on a homosexual website — why
    I’m concerned with your lifestyle.
    Well, the sex drive is one of the bssic drives that keeps mankind
    alive and growing — it’s an internal instinct as strong as the
    drive to eat and protect oneself — which is why civilization has
    continued to be viable and thriving.
    The sex drive, heterosexual or homosexual or bisexual is a
    fascinating topic because it gets to the basic understanding of
    man’s thinking and behavior.
    And examing history, it’s eye-opening as to what man’s nature
    will have him do with his desires — good and bad. And sex
    shows one of the most interesting actions –that’s why I’m on
    the homosexual website — I like confronting your reasoning for
    living as homosexuals. I still haven’t seen any scientific
    basis that a “homosexual gene” exists that makes a person
    become a homosexual — it’s a mixed combination of factors
    that are involved and therefore “one is not born homosexual”
    jsut as not people are born adulters, liars, etc. — they may
    have certain tendencies that may make them vunerable to those
    behoviors, but with proper guidance and enough time, they can
    be changed from indulging in those activities — yes, homosexuality can definitely be changed to heterosexuality
    if done with proper guidance and A GREAT DEAL OF TIME and
    a true willingness in wanting to change. That’s the problem —
    most DON’T WANT TO CHANGE –they like the sexual pleasure that
    comes with a same-sex partner. The desire to change is not there.

    And hss been said by various influencial leaders — give me
    your children for the first 8-9 years of their lives and I
    will have them forever ( I think a Communist or Hitler said
    something like that) So when homosexuals get young children
    and act as their parents,– that child will forever be changed
    and not be able to rhink outside of the homosexual paramaters of
    what constitutes a family as mainstream society sees it.
    The psychology of early development will vefify that principle.

    Sorry….couldn’t wait until next week.

  32. “You ask why am I interested in reading/commenting on a homosexual website”

    Who cares, but you KEEP going on about it.

    “most DON’T WANT TO CHANGE”

    You’re right, we don’t. So how’s about f*cking off and mind your own business.

    “normal, heterosexual male”

    No, you’re not. Its not actually normal to obsess about a sexuality you claim not to have.

    “I still haven’t seen any scientific basis that a homosexual gene exists”

    You believe in Adam and Eve as fact…. hence you’re understanding of Science is rather limited. Why would we waste out intelligence in trying to educate you?

    You are a freak. You’ll never understand. And we don’t care. And the “trite name-calling”… its not name-calling if its the truth, now, is it?

  33. “So when homosexuals get young children
    and act as their parents,– that child will forever be changed”

    Ah, so THERE is the accusation of paedophilia! Just as predicted.

    You’re pathetic, Hank. As W said, don’t come in here with your so called facts disguised as science, you clearly don’t have a clue what science is and how psychology works.

    W is right, I will not be bated by a small minded bible freak with such poorly disguised insults. How quick your kind is to masquerade your hate under the banner of science when you think it suits you.

    I would never normally sink to this level, but in your case: I hope that lung cancer starts doing its thing and wipes you and your inferior genes off the map.

  34. Hey everybody — thanks for your comments, arguments, criticism,
    etc. — I’m not really great at mental challenges on such a
    hot topic.

    I’m moving over the weekend, to a psychiatric ward, so I’ll not be able to answer all of you, but please have patience
    because I have some stupid questions to some
    of you who want to argue your position about
    homosexuality, the Holy Bible, psychiatic decisions to make
    homosexuality a non-psychological problem, slavery, why I’m
    engaging people on a homosexual website like a freak…
    and so many really daft and egocentric topics…
    it’s like being in college again, had I actually went to college, and I love the lack of mental stimulation — thanks everyone. I have some rather silly topics to discuss but I would prefer reactions from those people who can contribute logical, rational, scientific, well-documented arguments, unlike me, I haven’t a clue about science or rational argument. I’ve heard so many simple state their opinion of me as being a nitwit, biased bigot, idiot, moron, closet queer, deviant, and a hundred other adjectives — and I assure you, they’re all true labels.
    I’m a very normal, heterosexual male who has no desire to try
    homosexuality or reading a book, so please refrain from all
    those trite accusations and name-callings. I prefer
    to be called an idiot please.

    As I said I’ll be offline for the next 4-5 days while I’m trying to read a newspaper without using a dictionary,
    but come Wednesday, “I’ll be back.”

    Hope you all sleep well, because I have trouble sleeping
    due to the other ex-gay nuts in the ward with me.

    Hank

  35. Hey W:
    You say “most DON’T WANT TO CHANGE”

    You’re right, we don’t. So how’s about f*cking off and mind your own business
    Your reinforce my theory that homosexuals can in deed be changed
    to heterosexual living…IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE…but as you
    so stongly evidenced my view …you don’t want to change and
    homoexuality is not an unchangeable factor in one’s sex life.
    So, I don’t believe that ex-gays who revert back to homosexuality
    really wanted to change to begin with. There are authenticated
    cases of ex-gays givng up their desires to be driven by
    homosexual desires, and continuing their homosexuality.

    Hey Ciaran: You say, “You’re pathetic, Hank. As W said, don’t come in here with your so called facts disguised as science, you clearly don’t have a clue what science is and how psychology
    OK…so please enlighten me with your “scientific and psychology
    studies” that refute anything I have posted anytime. All you
    homosexuals can do is name-call and give out trite statements
    that have no credible or scientific backing. I’ve researched
    the studies, and I’d like to hear your “version of the truth.”

    Hey whoever falsely posted my name on Oct 16 @10:49 …very
    clever …you have a great wau distorting your opponents– are
    you a politian by chance?

  36. Incidentally Hank there is some very credible evidence coming out that while homosexuality MAY not be genetic there certainly appear to be hormonal links.

    Speaking as someone who was a fundmentalist Christian for a goodly portion of my life (until the mindless bigotry drove me to attempt suicide after which I decided that I didn’t want to be part of any god whos followers could behave so cruelly to one in desperate need of help, love and support) I know, as I’m sure you do, that the bible says many things which are no longer adhered to by the church, circumcision, not eating pork, not eating shellfish. But these are all irrelevant what’s far more important is what the church is supposed to teach- ‘love thy neighbour as thyself’, ‘faith, hope and love and the greatest of these is love’, ‘let he who is without sin cast the first stone’,’ let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love…We love because He first loved us’,’if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us’, ‘Better is open rebuke than hidden love’, ‘There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love’.

    The bible teaches again and again that love is the most important thing in this world. Love for everyone no matter what and when you love someone you do not pick at their faults, you do not deny them the right to express their love for others, you do not fear them, you recognise their right to make their own decisions regardless of your personal opinions, you support them and let them know that your advice and support are always available to them should they ask and most importantly you let them express their own love. You do not condemn them, you do not force your doctrine down their throat but you show them by your deeds what it means to be a christian.

    The best way for you to be a christian is to recognise our desire to express our own love and to accept it. You don’t have to like it you just have to accept that our love exists. We aren’t hurting you by our love, we aren’t causing you pain so why should you criticise?

  37. “you have a great wau distorting your opponents”

    I don’t think this was any great distortion. This amusing take on you is not a million miles from the garbage of hate and foolishness you constantly spill forth on a regular basis.

  38. Sister Mary Clarence 17 Oct 2008, 10:42pm

    Hi Hank, I see they have reduced your lithium sufficiently that you can manage to sit at a computer again. You still seem to be having a high degree of delirium though, and despite the fact that I’m not a doctor, I’d seriously consider maybe upping it a bit again.
    On the subject of credible evidence that you’ve not been able to find anywhere, it took me about 12 seconds to find the report below sourced from CNN, dated March 2000. So, it would seem that the credible evidence is none to hard to find and has been knocking around for a good few years yet. Odd when you take such a keen interest that it hasn’t crossed your path. Would I be right in thinking though the only place you’ve looked is in the old testament?
    A California psychologist has found the level of male hormones a fetus is exposed to in the womb can influence future sexual orientation. The study, published in this week’s journal Nature, is based an unusual research technique — comparing the lengths of a person’s index and ring fingers.
    Marc Breedlove, a professor of psychology at University of California Berkeley, said that finger length is influenced by levels of male hormone, or androgen, in the womb. Thus, he used the finger comparisons as an approximate measure of fetal androgen levels.
    In most people, the index finger is slightly shorter than the ring finger. But in the right hand, the difference is accentuated by higher levels of androgens during fetal development, according to the study. In women, the ring and the index finger tend to be almost the same size. In men, the index finger is usually shorter.
    In his study of 720 people, Breedlove found higher levels of androgens can create a greater than normal tendency for both males and females to develop a homosexual orientation.
    Breedlove found lesbians tended to have a more masculine hand pattern, with the index finger considerably shorter than the ring finger, when compared to heterosexual women as a group.
    But he cautions, “There is no gene that forces a person to be straight or gay… I believe there are many social and psychological, as well as biological factors that make up sexual preference.”
    Breedlove says what his data does show is that some people are gay because of fetal androgen levels.
    “We think that lesbians, as a group, were seeing slightly higher prenatal testosterone levels than were the heterosexual women,” Breedlove said.
    He said the pattern for men was more complicated. There did not appear to be a direct relationship between finger length and sexual orientation. Still, Breedlove found some gay men did appear, based on finger measurements, to have been exposed to higher levels of fetal androgens.
    “This calls into question all of our cultural assumptions that gay men are feminine,” said Breedlove. He says his findings point more toward gay men as hypermasculinized.
    Breedlove conducted his research at three street fairs in the San Francisco Bay area in the fall of 1999. Each study participant had his or her hand photocopied on a portable copy machine to record finger length. Participants also filled out a questionnaire on sexual orientation and birth order.
    Neuroscientist Simon Levay says Breedlove’s work confirms his own views on the causes of homosexuality.
    “I think it is one more contribution if you like to the idea that our personalities including our sexuality and our sexual orientation are influenced by things that happen when our brain first assembles itself before birth,” Levay said.

    William – Good to hear from you again as well btw – your postings always raise a smile, especially when you’re responding to the Hanks of this world

  39. The troll. STOP FEEDING IT.

  40. And Sister Mary, as always, great to see you back again. I miss our discussions and giggles. And yeah, I know I shouldn’t play with that muppet, but its just tooooo much fun, isn’t it?

  41. “This is overt indoctrination of children who are too young to have an understanding of its purpose.”
    This is true. And this is also the case when we take children to heterosexual weddings!

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