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Sarah Palin a “media-obsessed homophobe” says Lohan

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  1. Peter Fuchs 15 Sep 2008, 3:34pm

    I give Ms. Lohan a lot of credit for apparently being clear that she has a girlfriend. Given the “guess who, don’t sue” environment that most of Hollywood operates in this is no small thing. What a curious country we Americans live in, though, when a person, like Ms. Lohan, who is utterly a phenomenon of the media is the one needed to say the obvious about a political person who is utterly a creature of political theater. When the Republicans themselves use the fact of her challenged child as a prop in their theatrics about the very complicated and personal matter of reproductive rights for women, what can Gay people expect on the issue of their rights. We can expect the worst, that is, a high school play version of morality. The hard-pressed stridence of amateur thespianism is precisely akin Sarah Palin’s world of moral reasoning. She represents the
    end point of the child-like view, in the worst sense, encouraged both by many Churches, and ironically by Hollywood. Thus “media-obsessed homophobe” get it more right than the speaker understood. But Sarah Palin means more in this sense, she betokens the idiot doom of civilization
    to which cynical types, like McCain, are trying to consign the Western world.

  2. Robert, ex-pat Brit 15 Sep 2008, 4:51pm

    Peter, I couldn’t agree more. Its refreshing to hear this from a celebrity and its about time Obama and others said the same. If I were Obama debating McCain, a few of my questions would be thus.

    To McCain:

    If you are for change, what change and for whom? Since you have voted more than 90% of the time for Bush’s failed policies, why are you often referred to as a maverick? Maverick’s don’t conform, but you have more than 90% of the time, do explain.

    If you are for change as you say you are, why did you continue to support Bush for the past 8 years, why didn’t you oppose him on many of the issues, why the sudden “change” tactic?

    If you are prolife, how would you feel if your daughter Meagan were raped or was the victim of incest and as a result, became pregnant. Do you think she should be compelled to have the child in your view of pro-life? Also, how would you feel if by giving birth her life were seriously threatened, would you be ok if she died while trying to save her child?

    We keep hearing that the Republican party is an all-inclusive party. Can you explain what you mean by that? How do you and your party feel about gay rights, women’s rights. What are you going to do to improve their lives, what are you going to do about their equality?

  3. Does anyone else find it highly troubling that Palin got her first passport in 2006 and left the North America for the first time in 2007 – and then on an organised mission to see US troops in Kuwait?

    How on earth is she even half qualified to become VP of the most powerful nation on the planet and make judgements about how Amercia deals with foreign policies when she has no practical experience of the globe?

    She needs to be questioned on who the leaders of key nations are, what their histories are and how their nations impact the US and the rest of the world. That would show up her deficiencies.

  4. Claudia Zacharah 15 Sep 2008, 7:03pm

    It is not that shocking that McCain picked REDNECK BARBIE AS A VP I’m glad to see that Lindsey and Samantha speak out on these issues

  5. Lohan also attacked the candidate’s views on sexuality: “Is it a sin to be gay? Should it be a sin to be straight? Or to use birth control? Or to have sex before marriage? Or even to have a child out of wedlock?

    Coming out of the Hollywood atmosphere — I’d like to know
    Lohan’s set of moral principles — if indeed she has any. Does
    she really have a defininition for “sin” or is that a concept
    that has very little meaning for her.
    I’m sure Lohan has qualifications for saying Palin is perhaps
    qualified to be a news announcer. While I have reservations about
    Palin’s reason for being a VP candidate, Lohan doesn’t carry any
    weight with me for expressing her opinion — she’s nothing but
    a light-weight in her own right and probably doesn’t know much
    about politics anyway.

  6. Mary Flying Eagle Ray 15 Sep 2008, 9:21pm

    I welcome the voice of support, from those willing to stand up for
    the freedom and rights of lesbians and gays. (Far too many hide in
    the darkness, afraid of being found, that includes SOME straights
    who tell us, “Hey I’m for you and your freedom/rights”
    then become afraid, as they observe the homophobe rantings of far
    right bible abusing wolves in sheeps clothing.We in freedom loving
    America are in danger of church politics dictating actions of
    goverment (leaders???) This is already happening. Listen, and look around
    you. Watch Palin as she speaks, she seens rabid.As a woman I have waited all my life
    to help put a woman in the position of president/vice president.Palin is
    NOT THE BEST CHOICE.(Not even close.)
    So thank you, Lindsay Lohan and Samantha Ronson, I welcome your voice,many
    of my sisters welcome your support.Judge you harshly?not I. Harsh
    judgment has been delt me far too often.(Of course, being in the news and
    public eye, once you speak,often the rest of us are judged by your
    actions.)UNfair? Yes. True? Yes.
    Blessings….May We Walk in Beauty
    Mary Flying Eagle Ray

  7. @Hank – “Lohan doesn’t carry any weight with me for expressing her opinion”.

    But that’s just the point: its her opinion – and that of Sam Ronson – and in a democracy surely all opinions are valid.

    And America is a country where the views of celebrities hold a lot of weight so I say good-on Lindsay and Sam for speaking out about Palin. I’m an Australian, and for us voting is compulsory. But in a country where you have to be proactive to vote, they may just swing a few people in the right direction

  8. Peter Tromp 16 Sep 2008, 9:01am

    I would simply say look at the person and her (family) relations making the statement. Also the mugshot and the stories going with that give a pretty good idea of her personality:
    Lindsay Lohan – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsay_Lohan

  9. Robert, ex-pat Brit 16 Sep 2008, 2:37pm

    Hank, no, homosexuality is NOT a sin. Show me in both old and new testaments where God or Jesus Christ said just that? Stop using Leviticus to justify bigotry and discrimination. If you’re going to do that, then I suggest you adhere to the following quotes and compel your fellow believers to practice what they preach. Enough of the cherry-picking agenda to promote hate and inequality. Get your own house in order first. http://www.fallwell.com.

  10. Hey Robert — glad to hear from you again.
    Before I get into discussing the Holy Bible — which I know you
    don’t believe anything that’s in it — I want to discuss YOUR
    DEFINITION OF SIN — I’m most anxious to hear how/if you have
    a definition of sin, otherwise we don’t have a mutual standard
    to argue with — even outside of the Christian definition.

    Here’s a definition that seems to cover my feelings/attitudes/
    beliefs I hold.

    “Sin,” as defined by the research organization, is “something that is almost always considered wrong, particularly from a religious or moral perspective.” The study questioned more than 1,000 American adult respondents whether they believe in such a thing as “sin” and then asked them whether 30 different behaviors were sinful.

    Out the list of 30 behaviors, adultery was most often described as a sinful behavior by American respondents (81 percent).
    Following adultery was racism (74 percent); using “hard” drugs such as cocaine, heroine, meth, LSD, etc. (65 percent); not saying anything if a cashier gives you too much change (63 percent); abortion (56 percent); and homosexual activity or sex (52 percent) rounded out the top five behaviors most often considered sinful by Americans.

    Other behaviors with significant moral objections included reading or watching pornography (50 percent); swearing (46 percent); sex before marriage (45 percent); harming the environment as a consumer (41 percent); smoking marijuana (41 percent); getting drunk (41 percent); and not taking proper care of your body (35 percent).

    Not surprisingly, religious people are much more likely to believe in sin, with 94 percent of Americans who regularly attend religious worship services saying they believe in the concept of sin. The number drops to 80 percent among those who do not attend service, although the percentage is still a large majority.

    If we have an agreement on the above, I would be happy to get
    deeper into the problem of homosexuality — from the Christian
    viewpoint and from society/medical/biological viewpoints — there
    are many issues to discuss on a rational basis, if you want.

  11. Sin, as defined by the research organization, is “something that is almost always considered wrong, particularly from a religious or moral perspective.”

    Oh, this is soooo problematic, Hank. If a sin is something that most people usually consider wrong, does this mean that something that most people usually consider right is – ipso facto – not a sin? So homosexuality could be a sin in, say, Uganda, but not in Sweden? Moreover, it could be a sin in Idaho, but not over the border in California? This democratisation of what is and is not deemed to be sinful seems to make sin a matter of meta-ethical cultural and historical relativism! Moreover, because you exclude any rational justification from your definition above, I suspect that what your arguing is mere intuitivism (what Stephen Colbert calls ‘truthiness’): a moral statement is true because I FEEL that it is true.

    No, Hank, your definition of sin just won’t do. I suggest the one favoured by St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas: “a word, deed, or desire contrary to God’s eternal law.” This will do as a basic definition, I think. But it doesn’t get us very far in deciding just WHAT is sinful. Aquinas thinks that we can discover the answer to this question through reason and revelation. He doesn’t mention surveys or statistics anywhere…

  12. Hey rjb:
    How about this definition?

    Sin has been a term most usually used in a religious context, and today describes any lack of conformity to the will of God; especially, any willful disregard for the norms revealed by God is a sin. The word is from the old English synn, presumed to be from Germanic *sun(d)jōo (literally “it is true”). It is recorded in use as early as the 9th century. The most common formal definition is an infraction against religious or moral law. Colloquially, any thought, word, or act considered faulty, shameful, harmful to oneself or to others, or which alienates self from others and especially from God, can be called a sin. Through sin, guilt is incurred; and according to guilt, punishment is deserved. Compare Impiety and Crime. Atonement is a concept of justice and mercy, and “payment” for one’s sins. An example is found in traditions of animal sacrifice (as found in early Judaism, for example). Atonement for one’s sins thought through the agency of a Messiah became the central idea of many forms of Christian theology. Repentance is the act of turning from and ceasing from sin. It also implies rectifying past sins, insofar as reasonably possible;;

    Homosexuality and the Bible
    1. The Bible is the Christian sacred text, regarded as the ultimate authority by all denominations. It consists of the Old Testament (roughly equivalent to the Jewish Tanakh) and the New Testament. While the New Testament is the specifically Christian part of the Bible, both parts are regarded as equally authoritative. The following passages are those that are generally considered relavent to the Christian discussion of homosexuality, quoted from the NIV translation in the order they appear in the Bible.

    God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground. (Genesis 1:28)

    The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.” … Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” …. They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. … The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.” … By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens. (Genesis 19)

    Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. (Leviticus 18:22)

    If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. (Leviticus 20:13)

    No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute. (Deuteronomy 23:17)

    There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites. (1 Kings 14:24)

    For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it. (Matthew 19:12)

    They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. (Romans 1:25-27

  13. Hank – let’s not forget Leviticus is the same book of the bible that would have you roast in hell for eternity for wearing poly-cotton socks.
    Meanwhile back in reality…

  14. Hey flapjack:

    If you wear poly-cotton socks, you still can keep out of hell.

    People who repent their sins will be forgiven
    People are “saved” and forgiven if they confess their sins and confess their belief in the resurrection of Jesus. As explained in Romans 10:9-10 (English-NIV), “That if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

    But with you, I expect you don’t believe in “sin” “judgement”
    “repentence” “salvation” and other ingredients that make
    a person accountable for their behavior. No…your god is
    self… your creator is ” a swamp, a few chemicals, and a lightening bolt” that makes you what you are.
    My creator is a loving, understanding God who gives moral principles that are absolute and gives happiness to those who deny oneself and look to His greater power.
    If you don’t go along with this just see what mankind has done in history, as they’ve postituted the name of Jesus Christ and done dispicable things in the “name of religion” — all because they are totally ignorant of who and what Jesus Christ is and did for mankind. Jesus Christ IS NOT A RELIGION — He is a personal God that gives us a personal relationship with HIM — not some organized religious system — most of which the majority of people don’t understand.
    So start walking barefoot and maybe you’ll resolve one of your
    sinful acts.

  15. Hand, shut up you fool. You’ve been here before with your tripe about how we are all paedophiles. When is that lung cancer finally going to take you off this planet and away from your pathetic hateful life?

  16. lulz @ the god-botherer. Srsly, find a new hobby – your trolling fails here.

    I’m not a huge fan of Lohan (to be honest I barely know who she is), but good on her for saying what she thinks.

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