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Italian comedian faces “Fascist” prosecution for mocking the Pope

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  1. Itlay isn’t the only country in Europe where Catholicism retains influence over politics…

    What about Poland!

  2. Bill Perdue 11 Sep 2008, 9:53pm

    How odd, yet another link between Der Pope, Ratzinger and fascism. Der Rat joined the HitlerJugend well before it was necessary. Then he spent the war merrily shooting down allied aircraft in a Luftwaffe flak brigade. Now he’s Der Pope. Rat. If this keeps up people are going to suspect that these that is this is not just coincidental.

    Kevin Spicer recently authored a book entitled “Hitler’s Priests” . It convincingly documents the deep interpenetration of the catholic cult and fascism. The NAZI’s would never have gotten away with their racist genocide against Jews had it not been for anti-Semitic bigotry bellowing from christer pulpits for centuries. In a similar fashion catholic and orthodox christers paved the way for Slobodan Milosevic’s genocide that killed an estimated 200,000 muslims in Bosnia-Herzegovina with their crusader mentality and islamophobia.

  3. Just a point. This pope, since taking office, has said a lot of very nasty bigotted things. Does he seriously believe this will bring people back to the catholic cult??

    Time the pope was prosecuted for his war crimes, and continual incitement to hatred on a global stage.

    How sad the people of Italy keep lecting fascists. You’d think they would have learned.

  4. Ratzinger on (1) transsexualism and (2) child abuse in the RC Church…

    On Transsexualisum see below

    Quote:

    Vatican demands expulsion for trans clerics
    The Advocate
    02/01/03-02/03/03

    http://www.advocate.com/news_detail.asp?id=10952

    The Vatican has demanded that members of religious orders who change their sex be expelled and that transgendered people not be allowed to enter religious orders in the first place, according to a document published Friday by the Catholic news agency Adista.

    The confidential document, which the Vatican did not want made public, makes clear that the church has been forced to face head-on the issue of transgendered people among its members. The document was signed by Cardinal Eduardo Martinez Somalo, the Vatican’s head of religious orders, and urges its recipients not to divulge the contents, owing to “the delicacy and complexity of the situation.”

    The document says that any member of a religious order who “undergoes a sex change must be expelled from the religious house for the good of all the souls.”

    It also says that priests do not have the right to change baptism registers to reflect a believer’s new sex, even if the change is recognized by civil authorities. The document also quotes the Vatican’s head of doctrine, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, as firmly rejecting the admission of transsexuals into religious orders.

    “When there is a sensible doubt over the presence of transsexualism due to obvious external attitudes and evidence given by those charged with selecting candidates, the Superior can demand a careful medical and psychological examination,” Ratzinger said. “In the case where there is a grave and irreversible pathology of transsexualism, the candidate cannot be admitted in a viable way to the institute or religious society.”

    Associated Press material © Associated Press. All rights reserved.

    http://Advocate.com © 2005 LPI Media Inc.

    On Child Abuse : ( last 4 paragraphs )

    Quote:
    Vatican told bishops to cover up sex abuse

    Expulsion threat in secret documents

    Read the 1962 Vatican document (PDF file)

    Antony Barnett, public affairs editor

    Sunday August 17, 2003

    The Observer

    The Vatican instructed Catholic bishops around the world to cover up cases of sexual abuse or risk being thrown out of the Church.

    The Observer has obtained a 40-year-old confidential document from the secret Vatican archive which lawyers are calling a ‘blueprint for deception and concealment’. One British lawyer acting for Church child abuse victims has described it as ‘explosive’.

    The 69-page Latin document bearing the seal of Pope John XXIII was sent to every bishop in the world. The instructions outline a policy of ‘strictest’ secrecy in dealing with allegations of sexual abuse and threatens those who speak out with excommunication.

    They also call for the victim to take an oath of secrecy at the time of making a complaint to Church officials. It states that the instructions are to ‘be diligently stored in the secret archives of the Curia [Vatican] as strictly confidential. Nor is it to be published nor added to with any commentaries.’

    The document, which has been confirmed as genuine by the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, is called ‘Crimine solicitationies’, which translates as ‘instruction on proceeding in cases of solicitation’.

    It focuses on sexual abuse initiated as part of the confessional relationship between a priest and a member of his congregation. But the instructions also cover what it calls the ‘worst crime’, described as an obscene act perpetrated by a cleric with ‘youths of either sex or with brute animals (bestiality)’.

    Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases ‘in the most secretive way… restrained by a perpetual silence… and everyone… is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office… under the penalty of excommunication’.

    Texan lawyer Daniel Shea uncovered the document as part of his work for victims of abuse from Catholic priests in the US. He has handed it over to US authorities, urging them to launch a federal investigation into the clergy’s alleged cover-up of sexual abuse.

    He said: ‘These instructions went out to every bishop around the globe and would certainly have applied in Britain. It proves there was an international conspiracy by the Church to hush up sexual abuse issues. It is a devious attempt to conceal criminal conduct and is a blueprint for deception and concealment.’

    British lawyer Richard Scorer, who acts for children abused by Catholic priests in the UK, echoes this view and has described the document as ‘explosive’.

    He said: ‘We always suspected that the Catholic Church systematically covered up abuse and tried to silence victims. This document appears to prove it. Threatening excommunication to anybody who speaks out shows the lengths the most senior figures in the Vatican were prepared to go to prevent the information getting out to the public domain.’

    Scorer pointed out that as the documents dates back to 1962 it rides roughshod over the Catholic Church’s claim that the issue of sexual abuse was a modern phenomenon.

    He claims the discovery of the document will raise fresh questions about the actions of Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales.

    Murphy-O’Connor has been accused of covering up allegations of child abuse when he was Bishop of Arundel and Brighton. Instead of reporting to the police allegations of abuse against Michael Hill, a priest in his charge, he moved him to another position where he was later convicted for abusing nine children.

    Although Murphy-O’Connor has apologised publicly for his mistake, Scorer claims the secret Vatican document raises the question about whether his failure to report Hill was due to him following this instruction from Rome.

    Scorer, who acts for some of Hill’s victims, said: ‘I want to know whether Murphy-O’Connor knew of these Vatican instructions and, if so, did he apply it. If not, can he tell us why not?’

    A spokesman for the Catholic Church denied that the secret Vatican orders were part of any organised cover-up and claims lawyers are taking the document ‘out of context’ and ‘distorting it’.

    He said: ‘This document is about the Church’s internal disciplinary procedures should a priest be accused of using confession to solicit sex. It does not forbid victims to report civil crimes. The confidentiality talked about is aimed to protect the accused as applies in court procedures today. It also takes into consideration the special nature of the secrecy involved in the act of confession.’ He also said that in 1983 the Catholic Church in England and Wales introduced its own code dealing with sexual abuse, which would have superseded the 1962 instructions. Asked whether Murphy-O’Connor was aware of the Vatican edict, he replied: ‘He’s never mentioned it to me.’

    Lawyers point to a letter the Vatican sent to bishops in May 2001 clearly stating the 1962 instruction was in force until then. The letter is signed by Cardinal Ratzinger, the most powerful man in Rome beside the Pope and who heads the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – the office which ran the Inquisition in the Middle Ages.

    Rev Thomas Doyle, a US Air Force chaplain in Germany and a specialist in Church law, has studied the document. He told The Observer: ‘It is certainly an indication of the pathological obsession with secrecy in the Catholic Church, but in itself it is not a smoking gun.

    ‘If, however, this document actually has been the foundation of a continuous policy to cover clergy crimes at all costs, then we have quite another issue. There are too many authenticated reports of victims having been seriously intimidated into silence by Church authorities to assert that such intimidation is the exception and not the norm.

    ‘If this document has been used as a justification for this intimidation then we possibly have what some commentators have alleged, namely, a blueprint for a cover-up. This is obviously a big “if” which requires concrete proof.’

    Additional research by Jason Rodrigues

    Online document
    Read the Vatican document (PDF file) http://tinyurl.com/kaxb http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2003/08/16/Criminales.pdf

    Source: http://tinyurl.com/k9hq http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1020400,00.html

    Quote:
    Pope ‘obstructed’ sex abuse inquiry

    Confidential letter reveals Ratzinger ordered bishops to keep allegations secret

    Jamie Doward, religious affairs correspondent
    Sunday April 24, 2005
    The Observer

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1469055,00.html

    Pope Benedict XVI faced claims last night he had ‘obstructed justice’ after it emerged he issued an order ensuring the church’s investigations into child sex abuse claims be carried out in secret.

    The order was made in a confidential letter, obtained by The Observer, which was sent to every Catholic bishop in May 2001.

    It asserted the church’s right to hold its inquiries behind closed doors and keep the evidence confidential for up to 10 years after the victims reached adulthood. The letter was signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who was elected as John Paul II’s successor last week.

    Lawyers acting for abuse victims claim it was designed to prevent the allegations from becoming public knowledge or being investigated by the police. They accuse Ratzinger of committing a ‘clear obstruction of justice’.

    The letter, ‘concerning very grave sins’, was sent from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican office that once presided over the Inquisition and was overseen by Ratzinger.

    It spells out to bishops the church’s position on a number of matters ranging from celebrating the eucharist with a non-Catholic to sexual abuse by a cleric ‘with a minor below the age of 18 years’. Ratzinger’s letter states that the church can claim jurisdiction in cases where abuse has been ‘perpetrated with a minor by a cleric’.

    The letter states that the church’s jurisdiction ‘begins to run from the day when the minor has completed the 18th year of age’ and lasts for 10 years.

    It orders that ‘preliminary investigations’ into any claims of abuse should be sent to Ratzinger’s office, which has the option of referring them back to private tribunals in which the ‘functions of judge, promoter of justice, notary and legal representative can validly be performed for these cases only by priests’.

    ‘Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret,’ Ratzinger’s letter concludes. Breaching the pontifical secret at any time while the 10-year jurisdiction order is operating carries penalties, including the threat of excommunication.

    The letter is referred to in documents relating to a lawsuit filed earlier this year against a church in Texas and Ratzinger on behalf of two alleged abuse victims. By sending the letter, lawyers acting for the alleged victims claim the cardinal conspired to obstruct justice.

    Daniel Shea, the lawyer for the two alleged victims who discovered the letter, said: ‘It speaks for itself. You have to ask: why do you not start the clock ticking until the kid turns 18? It’s an obstruction of justice.’

    Father John Beal, professor of canon law at the Catholic University of America, gave an oral deposition under oath on 8 April last year in which he admitted to Shea that the letter extended the church’s jurisdiction and control over sexual assault crimes.

    The Ratzinger letter was co-signed by Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone who gave an interview two years ago in which he hinted at the church’s opposition to allowing outside agencies to investigate abuse claims.

    ‘In my opinion, the demand that a bishop be obligated to contact the police in order to denounce a priest who has admitted the offence of paedophilia is unfounded,’ Bertone said.

    Shea criticised the order that abuse allegations should be investigated only in secret tribunals. ‘They are imposing procedures and secrecy on these cases. If law enforcement agencies find out about the case, they can deal with it. But you can’t investigate a case if you never find out about it. If you can manage to keep it secret for 18 years plus 10 the priest will get away with it,’ Shea added.

    A spokeswoman in the Vatican press office declined to comment when told about the contents of the letter. ‘This is not a public document, so we would not talk about it,’ she said.

  5. Robert, ex-pat Brit 12 Sep 2008, 1:02pm

    Predictable, backwards thinking Italy and with right wing neocon Berlusconi in power, its only going to get worse. Bill, well said!

  6. Surely it is better to mock the Pope that to take him seriously?

  7. John - Aussie living in Italt 12 Sep 2008, 3:14pm

    The Pope and Burlesconi just keep playing to their base, which happens to be an electoral majority in Italy. The Italian people continue to be one of the most homophobic peoples of Europe, and despite defeat their old penchant for facism is never far under the surface – if at all. They are not thuggish like the poles in their sexual orientation discrimination, they are more covert. They happily sign EU Human Rights legislation with absolutely no intention to implement it. Any attempt at legal challenge takes decades, is expensive and the EU courts can’t do anything until such a course is run. You would think given the history there would be more of a movement at an EU level to Italians accountable for their shameful national homophobia – but instead they are giving a free pass. Perhaps distracted by being often viewed as the amusing clowns of Europe who have the good food, wine and climate. The reality is gay Italians are being hurt and struggle to have a voice. They certainly don’t have the same rights as other gay European Citizens.

  8. Stop me if you’ve heard this one before, but there’s an old joke about Cardinal Ratzinger and his his relationship to liberal Catholic theologians which was spread in Catholic circles long before his elevation to the throne of St Peter:

    Karl Rahner, Hans Kung and Cardinal Ratzinger all die on the same day, and go to meet St. Peter to find out their fates. St. Peter points at Rahner and says “Karl! In my office.” After four hours, the door opens, and Rahner comes out. He is distraught, mumbling, “Oh God, that was the hardest thing I’ve ever done! How could I have been so wrong! So sorry.” He stumbles off into heaven, a testament to the mercy of God.

    Kung goes in next. After eight hours, the door opens, Kung is near collapse. He too is mumbling, “How could I have been so wrong!” as he lurches into heaven, another testament to God’s mercy.

    Lastly, St. Peter calls Ratzinger. Twelve hours later, the door opens and St. Peter stumbles out. “Oh, God,” he cries, “How could I have been so wrong?”

  9. I was thinking that in western countries we will not see resauration of fascism,but I had mistake.This is one more example what we have when there are antisecular element in politics.When we don’t have strong church authority in people’s mind,we have tolerance,look for example at Slovenia.It’s a pearl of Europe,and it’s on the East!

  10. Catholism is politcally far right and it exercises that power to a terrible degree – particually in relation to the millions of deaths that ensued in Africa under AIDS and where the vatigan refused to endorse safe sex campaigns.
    The legal protection of the Pope because of his apparent supremely God like eminance has increased dramatically since the end of the 2nd world war and is a shambolic & profound corruption of Christian ideals.

    There is a strong left history in the Catholic community with the Liberation Theology movment that grew out of the revolutionary idealism in Latin America, but it lost to the far right around the time of 1968, when it saw it’s hopes raised and dashed. Any challenge to such a right wing institution is a good thing but takes great courage.

  11. So lets get this right. Someone insults the Pope and they use a Facist Law against them? I am confused.com(!) The Vatican is a Facist Organisation as far as I am concerned, with an ex Nazi in charge to boot!

  12. why should be bothered by catholicism or the pope, try Jesus.

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