“Abu Usamah at Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham calling for gay people to be executed.”
“If I were to call homosexuals perverted, dirty, filthy dogs who should be murdered, that’s my freedom of speech, isn’t it?” he told followers.
A scene in the advertising for the documentary also showed a preacher calling for people to “take that homosexual and throw him off a mountain.”
Now I dare any gay man or woman to say the same thing in public about Islamo fascists! You can bet that what Abu Usamah said will NOT be construed as hate speech or incitement to kill and it will not be pursued. Where are Brown and Cameron on this….what about Rowan Williams?
You have to agree with above.. If the comment was in reverse (Against muslims or about harming muslims) there would be UK out cry.. This comment is an outrage.. not matter what context it was in.. it still is insighting hate..
Last month it was cardinal newman in the name of Catholics.. now in the name of allah.. What needs to happen befor esomething is done.. A gay being thrown off a mountain
Free speech doesn’t give the right to foment murder. Usama is wrong, and he should be held accountable for his wrong.
Christopher, Gene….unfortunately, religious nutters have priority when it comes to hate speech and get carte blanche because they find us and our lives offensive and in conflict with their chosen “lifestyle”. They seem to have unofficial exemption from hate speech, witness the recent Islington woman who refused to perform a civil partnership ceremony. Not one word from Brown or Cameron either. This too shall go the same way. In fact, there are many straights in our society who concur with those statements by Usama, many of whom are in the established church and Catholic church in particular. I’m sure Bishop Devine of Scotland would totally agree as well as the good cardinal in Westminster. They, like many straights would like to see our demise, permanently.
Lets treat them the way they treat us in their own country – you do not speak or act outside the country’s rules and custom – other wise you die – and get out
That is the way they act over there – in europe we are sooo bloody polite and now they spit on our faces in the name of their religion.
Go over there and start walking in the street with a Cross attached to your neck YOU DIE – in europe they are laughing with their faces covered and we have to say PLEASE.
If we needed further proof that religion (superstition), especially the cults derived from judaism, christianity and islam are our deadliest enemy here it is.
A serious government would totally eliminate tax breaks and subsidies, including educational and ‘charitable’ subsidies for the cults.
An honest government would prosecute child rapists and any cultists who didn’t report such acts, or who aided and abetted the escape of these depraved rapists. If these scum or their accomplices escaped they should be extradited from Rome. If Ratzinger visits he should be arrested and tried as and accessory to child rape.
A courageous government would never permit superstitious cults to operate schools, classes, day care centers or any facility or service that might be used to spread homophobia, misogamy or hatred based on skin color. Children need to be protected from deliberate ignorance, superstition, racism, homophobia and misogyny.
A protective government would never permit cults to use print or electronic media or public speaking of any kind to foment harassment or violence against women, GLBT folk or on the basis of skin color or cultural differences.
A government with respect for its laws would see to it that when violence or harassment occurs those who advocate it, however remote they may be from the actual events, would automatically be given the same sentence as the perpetrators.
A civilized government that took seriously the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Helsinki Accords and the declarations of UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour would open wide it arms to LGBT asylum seekers threatened by death and harm.
A government that thinks ahead and has reason to believe that cult centers t are being used to promote racism, homophobia and misogamy would shut them down permanently, prosecute the offenders and confiscate the cult centers assets to pay for compensating the victims of their prejudice.
Usama and his ilk, Devine, and archbishops Akinola (if he ever flies into town) Williams and Ratzinger can all be charged immediately. A decent government wouldn’t wait around till more people get killed or feel compelled to kill themselves. It’d take its collective thumb out of it’s collective a*s and get a move on.
Usama and his ilk, Devine, and archbishops Akinola (if he ever flies into town) Williams and Ratzinger can all be charged immediately. A decent government wouldn’t wait around till more people get killed or feel compelled to kill themselves> It’d take its collective thumb out of it’s collective a*s and get a move on.
Funny, I say the same thing about Muslims.
Where on eaerth do you get your information from Zazou, the Daily Mail! And who might ‘they’ be? Whilst I’m no apologist for any religion, I’ve been to many Muslim counties, and have always found the people to be very friendly, helpful and polite, never experienced any homophobia, and certainly not been executed! All religions have their lunatic fringe, and personally I like to see the back of all religion, and generally agree with Bill’s comments.
kevin – after two minutes in the programm – the word is
KILLING HOMOSEXUALS –
……a lunatic fringe……. are your words
…….. after watching Alice in Wonderland – come back on earth and please watch the documentary …… happening in London.
Hi Kevin, i’ve lived in Muslim countries, Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Yemen and agree, many people are helpful friendly and polite to western tourists/residents if they don’t know you’re gay. But it’s completely different if you live there and are “found out”. A New Zealand colleague of mine was arrested and sentenced to 7 years in prison in Yemen for possesing gay pornography, other colleagues who were in gay relationships had their visas revoked and were deported, and many employers of ex-patriates stipulate that no homosexuals should apply for jobs because they will be imprisoned or deported if discovered. Look at the story about the 2 lesbians facing jail in the UAE for kissing!. And these punishments are considered extremely lenient because they involve expatriates, from western countries. Local gays and lesbians or those from countries like india/pakistan/the phillipines working in the gulf could easily face execution or life sentences. Ofcourse there were many kind decent muslim colleagues and friends of mine who weren’t fazed by my sexuality, some of them became close friends BUT officially being GAY is an absolute NO-NO. If you are publicly open about it, or if the wrong person finds out you will be punished, and for locals or workers from developing countries, the punishments are VERY severe. Your white skin and or british passsport might protect you from the extreme homphobia that exists in ALL muslim countries with perhaps the exception of Turkey, but don’t be fooled into thinking it’s not there, or that it’s not killing gay people with less “status” than you. Personally i woudn’t visit ANY muslim country with the exception of Turkey now, because their human rights records regarding lesbians and gays are as bad as Nazi Germany’s, and worse than in South Africa under Apartheid.
Bill, well said, totally agree with you. If any extremist of whatever cult foments hatred and violence against us, then they should go live in a society where that sort of behaviour is the norm. Saudi Arabia would be my first recommendation for them since they all have one thing in common, HOMOPHOBIA.
Zazou, Despatches is sensationalist, that makes for better telly! I don’t doubt that some muslims preach hate & would like us killed, as do some xtians, but that doesn’t mean all muslims & xtians want to execute us. As far as I’m aware, no muslim has taken up the orders and killed a gay person in England. I would however, like to see these preachers deported, but many of the countries they come from have ‘our’ oil, with regimes that also like to export their twisted religious beliefs, and as we all know, oil is far more important than basic human rights, so that’s unlikely to happen!
Andy, I’ve never doubted or questioned the extreme homophobia in certain muslim countries, my comments concerned the over-reaction that gay people are simply not safe, and could be killed, and that all muslims are out to get us! It’s also not only Muslim countries that discriminate and hate queers in such an extreme way, we only have to look at the xtian countries in Africa for prejudice & violence that matches anything in a muslim country. As it happens, I wouldn’t go to Gambia, Senegal, any of the Gulf States, or any other country run by lunatics, of whatever religion.
How much longer do we have to wait for the penny to drop in this country – Islam is EVIL
@Joe: religion in general is evil.
The sooner the better it’s classed as a mental illness – if a person is believing in things that clearly don’t exist and being a danger to themselves or others because of it then they need heavy treatment – why is this perfectly acceptable in religion’s case?
I’m a Chinese gay who unfortunately live in a country where islam is the majority. Living here makes me see the truth about islam, that they r just a bunch of lunatic who hates the Jew, white people, gay, etc. In my country they also hate the Chinese.
Anyway, that Abu Usamah is crazy. Freedom of speech and provocation are 2 different things. If he thinks gays deserve to die, yes it’s his freedom of speech. BUT when he starts influencing others to kill gays, that’s provication! And murder attempt! Can someone please report to the police to capture this soon-to-be-mass-murderer?!
Islam is really unbelievable. Wherever they go, they try to spread their dangerous belief in killing. UK government should do something before it turns into something tragic like 9/11 !!! And if Islam is really a peaceful and SANE religion like what most moslem are saying, they should PURGE themselves by getting rid of moslem lunatics!
STUPID FANATICAL PEOPLE,WHO CHANGE THE TEACHINGS AROUNG TO SUIT THERE PURPOSES.THEY ARE QUESTS IN THIS COUNTRY,IF THEY DONT LIKE OUR TEACHINGS ,GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY,HATERS