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OutRage! backs Boris over abolition of gay advisory panel

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  1. Gino Meriano 10 Jul 2008, 2:13pm

    I fully support Brett and Outrage in their decision

    Tijme for us to take real action rather than constantly ticking the boxes

  2. Robert, ex-pat Brit 10 Jul 2008, 2:37pm

    The sooner we abolish the House of Lords, another body of unelected officials, the more of a democracy we shall become! Allowing unelected people to vote on and pass legislation is not democracy at all. Time for its abolition.

  3. Sista'hood 10 Jul 2008, 3:25pm

    “Outrage! gets it wrong (again) shocker!” Instead of attacking the erosion of the limited opportunities that exist for grassroots LGBT activists to challenge homophobia and promote gay-friendly, pro-equality agendas, Tatchell and his chums attack the integrity of hard-working gay rights activists like Pav instead of criticising Boris Johnson who has a terrible track-record on supporting gay rights.

    Also, before Tatchell and chums at Outrage get so outraged, about those gay rights initiatives that don’t include their merry little band of unelected activists, they ought to do a little homework:

    1) Even though Pav is a Labour Party member (like Tatchell was himself) he has spoken out consistently spoken out against deportations of LGBT asylum seekers, see the piece Pav wrote recently for the Imaan newsletter in which he calls on members to lobby the government for fairer treatment of LGBT asylum seekers: http://www.imaan.org.uk/newsletters/imaan_news_08_04.pdf

    2) Pav is speaking with the Iraqi LGBT group at the SERTUC meeting next week, because he is a supporter of LGBT rights internationally, as well as here in Britain.

    3) For the record, Pav was not alone in supporting Ken Livingstone as mayor because of his excellent track-record of all the candidates in defending gay rights in London and beyond. Outrage’s very own Peter Tatchell was also publicly supporting Ken http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=2059 who he stated had “been a good Mayor” that “should be judged in the round.”

    Therefore, let’s not distract from the critical issue here which is that Boris is eroding gay representation and keep focused on ensuring that LGBT rights are not rolled back because Boris has not presented any clear vision or policies to suggest further attacks are not on there way.

  4. I totally support Mayor Johnsons stand here.

    Although i supported much of the former mayors support for the LGBT he seems to have totally lost the plot with this. No democracy at all here, no elected members. And was there any input by Ben Summerskill here as yet again trans people were ignored!

    There are several trans groups in London such as FTM London and Spectrum London. Why were they not consulted, and invited to contribute.

    I thought the Mayors speech at the reception last week was good compared to the other idiot that talked, and i don’t mean Paul.

  5. Sista'hood 10 Jul 2008, 4:08pm

    Let me get this right, Outrage! are backing Tory Boris Johnson against a series of other LGBT organisation? Is this the same Boris Johnson who has not voted for and opposed so many attempts to win LGBT equality against? The same Boris who was so offensive about gay civil partnerships, the same Boris who thought Labour’s repeal of Section 28 was a bad thing, the same Boris who has made other disparaging remarks about LGBT people?

    Well bravo to Outrage! Great work. Just what the gay community in London needs: Outrage! cheerleading for Boris when he’s mounting what we can only expect to be the start if his attacks on LGBT equality in the capital, and what is likely to be his tokenist approach to LGBT people.

    I thought Outrage! want to be progressive? Instead they make false claims about a fellow gay rights activist not standing up for gay rights (even though Imaan’s newsletter shows that as recently as April 2008 they were lobbying the government about LGBT asylum seeker rights), and the SERTUC LGBT Network in July 2008 has Imaan and an Iraqi LGBT group speaking together abour defending LGBT asylum seekers…. blah, blah, blah. Can you really take Outrage! seriously?

  6. You seem to be very in the know about this Labour nobody, Pav. Friend, relative, or maybe member of the same Labour Association?

    Labour is sinking faster than the Titanic and whilst you might be living in cloud cuckoo land, most of us have woken up the lies, the broken promises and the bankrupt politics.

  7. Sista'hood 10 Jul 2008, 6:04pm

    No Laeticia. I’m not a Labour member. This was on Imaan’s forum, Pav’s our chair person, so I’m commenting.

    At any rate, the story is about what leadership Boris Johnson intends to give the LGBT community. Given his anti-gay track-record I think it’s only right that gay people should ask him what he really stands for (if it isn’t the bigoted positions that he has taken in the past) and what we can expect from him in the future.

    Deal with the issue about the elected mayor.

  8. OutRage! are merely pointing out the misconception that LGBT community was being “represented” and “consulted” by such puppets as Ben Summerskill and anyone he along with Sir Ian McKellen recruits in order to make Stonewall appear to be a legitimate “gay rights” organisation when we all know (or are starting to realise) it is actually a mouthpiece for the big corporations and politicians wanting to cash in on the gay vote.

    As someone else already mentioned there are is a spectacular array of LGBT organisations – many with far higher levels of participation and inclusion than any of the groups that were members of this Mayoral Talking Shop.

    FTM London and Spectrum London along with many other groups – Schools Out!, FFLAG, Queer Youth Network, Trans Youth Network, Student Groups, Gay and Lesbian Humanists to name but a few have all be ignored and represent a significant section of the London LGBT Community and are (along with many others too numerous to name!) just as eligible to be consulted and invited to whatever replaces this fake group of nothingness.

    As a collective I wouldn’t say OutRage! is concerned with “being left out” of tis group, it’s intentions are honorable and are in response to the rest of the community being kept out of the dark and locked out of opportunities to make a difference in a way that could empower us all.

  9. Why let facts get in the way of a (yawn) heated socialist diatribe Sisterhood? Boris isn’t anti-gay – he has appointed several gay advisors, his Deputy Mayor is gay, he voted in favour of Civil Partnerships both in England & Wales, and Scotland, voted to abolish Section 28, and led Loondon’s Pride march on Saturday wearing a pink stetson.

    The Far Left has always looked for scarey bogey men to help bully through their agenda – it is time to understand that politics and our society has changed – Britain has moved on from the political battles of the 1980s. The LGBT community has moved on too and the vast majority of us have no interest in the class/race/sexuality conflict politics of 20 years ago.

    Boris is far more in tune with the mood of Londoner’s of all backgrounds, that is why so many Londoners voted for him, including many gay voters, unpalatable to the Left as this may be. He has appointed a team on their merits, a significant number ‘happen to be gay’ – not ‘because they are gay’ – that is the difference. The Left needs to accept defeat and change with the people, if it continues to rally against the popular consensus it will be consigned to the dust-bin of history along with the dinosaurs of the far right like Tebbit.

  10. Sister Mary Clarence 11 Jul 2008, 11:23am

    I absolutely agree with you Eddie, the world has moved on and we have moved on two. We should be focussing on today’s challenges and not harping back to what did or didn’t happen many years ago.

    Boris has put an end to an unelected, unrepresentative, and ineffective Labour dominated quango and a member of the Labour Party isn’t happy about it – is that even f**king news???

  11. Sister Mary Clarence 11 Jul 2008, 11:32am

    oops – “…. move on TOO”

  12. Sister Mary Clarence 11 Jul 2008, 11:34am

    oops – sorry “too” not “two”

  13. Tim Roll-Pickering 11 Jul 2008, 12:38pm

    In all of this nobody has pointed to anything this “only had a preliminary meeting” advisory panel ever actually achieved. In what way were the lives of Lesbian & Gay [deliberate use as that’s all it seemed to be] Londoners enhanced by its existence?

    Whether or not Boris is delivering should surely be measured by what his administration actually does for people on the ground, not by the number of appointments made here, there and everywhere that tick a few boxes and can be held up at election time (note when the panel was formed – this March) as a tokenistic substitute for action.

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