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Tory battle over lesbian parenting and “need for a father”

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  1. Self-hating Tory Queen 19 May 2008, 1:34pm

    Anyone here still think the Tories have changed?

  2. Robert, ex-pat Brit 19 May 2008, 5:45pm

    Self-hating Tory Queen, we’ll hold our collective breath on that one. If the vote goes against the government’s proposed legislation, then we’ll know they haven’t changed one bit. These conservatives and some in the labour camp think that every child needs a mother and a father, well, I suppose they would support an abusive father or mother, rather than have a child raised by one loving, supportive parent. Its not a perfect world nor is it an ideal one,neither are all marriages, partnerships or other relationships. Odd that since this is a somewhat gay-related issue that none of this mattered prior to civil partnerships and equality laws. Nobody really cared. I agree with Stonewall on this one, this is indeed about discriminating against lesbians and to some extent gay men.

  3. Is there an amendment for ensuring a child also has a “mother figure if 2 guys or even one guy adopts a child, or even pays for a woman to give birth to his child?

  4. Sister Mary Clarence 19 May 2008, 8:53pm

    The amendment actually refers to “the need for supportive parenting and a father or a male role model”, not just ‘need for a father’.

    Immediately everyone is assuming this is a dig at lesbians, but google male role model and you’ll find plenty of research that shows the negative impact of the absence of male role models in kids, particularly amongst adolescent males. Whilst two lesbians may be able to bring up their IVF kids in a healthy, balanced and loving environment, the HFEA Register data for 1991-2006 refers to lesbian couples accounting for ‘only a small percentage’ of IVF treatments.

    The proposed amendment could of course be a reaction to the weight of evidence that suggests that your regular lone (heterosexual) female household, cannot bring up a child as well as one where a male role model (often a father) exists. If no male role model exists within the family, the child tends to look for one outside the household, hence the likes of Beenie Man, Elephant Man, Sizzla, Bounty Killer, Vybz Kartel, Buju Banton and others of the murder music crew become role models that young people look up to.

    The whole world doesn’t all revolve around us being gay (not all the time anyway).

  5. And to add to this debate, we cannot assume that every GLBT person would support the right for a lesbian couple to have IVF treatment. I believe that allowing IVF to a lesbian couple (or, for that matter, a gay male couple) is just plain wrong. And isn’t it strange how this debate has raged on and on and yet we have forgotten the most important thing of all – the interests of the child.

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