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  1. Jen Marcus 13 Mar 2008, 2:57pm

    Devine’s comments are reprehensible!He is a disgrace to the Roman Catholic Church and is not truly a true follower, or representative of Christ. As a Christian leader, he should be teaching and practicing Love, Compassion, Tolerance and Acceptance as Christ commanded in the two Great Commandments of Love and in the Beatitudes. Instead, he apparently practices and teaches just the opposite. May I remind Devine that homosexuals were murdered by the NAZI hate mongers just like many Jewish and Eastern European people just because of their status and ancestry: i.e. who they were! The NAZI’s treated these people like sub-humans and this is seemingly how Devine views gays! If that is correct,Devine is not worthy of the title of a Christian archbishop and if his thinking, preaching and teaching mirror that of the Roman Catholic Church than they should reexamine their doctrines and Christian credentials as well,

  2. The Not Very Reverend Devine looks like a dirty pederast to me. Just you wait, some journalist will eventually get a tip off from a choir boy…But seriously, who gives a f*** what some freak, with no true experience of anything in the real world, has got to say on anything.

  3. I seem to remember that Catholics were also in the camps.! EX Catholic Lesbian out and proud.

  4. Yes, some Catholics in the camps, but not for being Catholics. A few brave martyrs, collaboration at the highest levels and by Nazi sympathisers in the German churches, mostly just silence.This bishop is the unvarnished face of Catholic bigotry. He doesn’t even bother with the usual dissembling line of “hate the sin, love the sinner”. He hates, full stop.

  5. elizabeth veldon 13 Mar 2008, 3:33pm

    He is a disgrace to the Roman Catholic Church—no he’s the true face of the Catholic Church.The church all over the world tries to stop Queer people gaining any rites. In Scotland it campaigned vigorasly for the retention of Clause 2A (Clause 28 South Of The Boarder) and engaged in a campaign that cast Queers as peodaphiles. The campaign it was a part of put Homaphobic billboards up all over Sotland and it’s suporters in a certain Scotish Tabloid ran a peice about how to ‘spot’ a Poof – presumably to bash or even kill them.This isn’t a lone voice, it’s the voice of the Catholic Church.I’ll probibly get sued for saying this…

  6. Gene Touchet 13 Mar 2008, 3:34pm

    Of course he’s going to “pick a fight.” He has a lot to lose. His real message, though, is (to use an old American meaning) “Don’t queer my scam.”

  7. elizabeth veldon 13 Mar 2008, 3:43pm

    just a thought:In Germany it’s illegal to Deny the Hollocaust and David Irvine recently got into trouble for just this.I take it The Good Bishop has no plans to pop over to Berlin any time soon.

  8. Dominick J. 13 Mar 2008, 4:18pm

    The Catholic church is a disgrace to themselves! They grow and nurture these ignorant bores, or is that spores? They are the very Pharises that helped put Jesus to death and wouldn’t know Him when He stood before them, then and now!They all will burn in hell as will be fitting of their arrogant stupidity!

  9. Joseph Devine is beneath contempt…he is the kind of Christian like his master Ratzinger who put the Gott mit Uns buckle on Hitler’s belt.He is indeed no Christian at all…Perhaps he should realise that other groups are more forceful in dealing with critics like him – they aim to put a bullet through the head.The Gay Lobby has never,ever resorted to the bullet or the bomb like some religious groups we could think of with significant links to the Bishop’s own Scottish Catholic flock..

  10. Not all Catholics feel that way. I had friends involved with the organisation Dignity and there wasnever a shortage of priests and nuns sympathetic and supportive to gays who wanted to remain Catholics.

  11. This is another good example of religious faith being a mental illness. The man is clearly deranged and should be in a lunatic asylum!

  12. Robert, ex-pat Brit 13 Mar 2008, 5:07pm

    I wouldn’t mind betting there are plenty of skeletons in Devine’s closet. These “haters” and “gay-baiters” are usually deeply closeted cases as is his leader, RATzi the former nazi. Why do you think this church has harboured and fostered paedophilia for so long, centuries in fact? It looked the other way and continues to look away because its still happening. Only yesterday, another RC priest in the New York city area was arrested for paedophilia and sexually assaulting an adult male, his case is pending and is expected to fetch a couple of years or more in jail, and so it continues. His diocesan bishop was aware for years and said nothing, business as usual. The RC church is hardly in a position to pass moral judgement on us and needs to clean up its filthy act. They may postulate and dress like christians but that’s where the similarity ends. Enough of their hypocrisy and bigotry!

  13. elizabeth veldon 13 Mar 2008, 5:16pm

    neville:that may be so but it dosn’t alter the Church’s teaching on sexuality.

  14. The Catholic Church is a disgrace!The Catholic Church stood by and turned a blind eye to the holocaust!This Bishop is a disgrace to humanity!Thank God..I’m not religious.

  15. Mark Satterthwaite 13 Mar 2008, 5:21pm

    save me from this guy continuing to persecute gays. Catholic church has a history of being on the wrong side of issues and this is no defferent.

  16. Peter Piper 13 Mar 2008, 5:32pm

    THe Church has a long history of persecuting Jews. Since the Holocaust this has been much less acceptable. Now they have turned their hate on to gays; it seems that Christians like the Bishop need something or somebody to hate to bolster their own week faith.

  17. L. Andrews 13 Mar 2008, 5:46pm

    Seriously, when will these biblical a**wipes accept nature’s natural selection and get over the whole issue of “us and them”. Religion needs to re-evaluate its ancient fairy tales made up of heresays spiced up with spite, revenge and damnation. If god is real, I dont think he is getting earthly value if his flock is pimping his heavenly faith by concentrating on condemning such a tiny percentage of the global population. Oh and by the way – the world is killing each other off as we simultaneously threaten everything on it by choking our planet with pollutants from industrial greed…….. and god hates gays! Come-on!

  18. William - Dublin 13 Mar 2008, 5:58pm

    Well, I see this cretins remarks as no more then a spiteful man blustering in full knowledge his organisations dwindling power over the public… the shrill cries of a powerless individual.Ironic he should use the holocaust as an example when his esteemed organisation were so silent during this deplorable episode in human history.No doubt the good bishop feels it better to go back to the days of church dominance, intolerance and hate… not to mention his fellow “men of god” being able to abuse young children without censure.Bishop, you’re an insult to humanity and a credit to your petty faith!

  19. Which British Monarch historically said… “who will rid me of this damn priest”..and Thomas Becket I think was snuffed out!Well this is an old queen saying “who will rid us of ‘this’ damn priest”

  20. Oh, would that we were a gay mafia with the power to destroy the evils of the Roman Catholic church!

  21. Every time we post a rant here at Pink News we should each ensure we post the same thing on the site of a conservative newspaper like The Times, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Express.We need to stir things up for people like this evil bishop, and we won’t achieve much if we just rant to each other.

  22. Jen Marcus 13 Mar 2008, 9:28pm

    Dai, I think your comment quoted below is “Spot On!” I believe we should even go so far as to post these in “Il Obseervatorio” or the “Vatican Press!””Every time we post a rant here at Pink News we should each ensure we post the same thing on the site of a conservative newspaper like The Times, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Express.We need to stir things up for people like this evil bishop, and we won’t achieve much if we just rant to each other.”Jen Marcus

  23. come on where are the laws to stop this arsehole

  24. Diana Mathioudakis 13 Mar 2008, 11:56pm

    This denial is stupid, politically and historically incorrect and his statement hypocrit and on the long line congruent with the fatal role and the deadly alliance between church and state im Deutschen Reich 1933 – 1945. It convinces me even more that any involvement of clerical/spiritual leadership into a secular society is DANGEROUS. This behaviour is a brutal slam in the face of ALL victims of the holocaust. It is pure homophobia, fanning the flames for lesbian/gay-bashing, born out of a strabistic heteronormativ viewpoint. -I feel deeply hurt by this expression of inhumanity!

  25. Oliver P camford 14 Mar 2008, 4:17am

    Hmmm! Yet again some idiot, this time a bishop who should know better, states that there is a gay conspiracy. Really! Two gay people in a room equals potential fun and sex; three or more gays in a room equals arguments and bitchiness – or some really good sex, but certainly, not by any stretch of the imagination, a conspiracy.The problem with people like this bishop, poor deluded man that he is, is that people like him, who have a deeply held and believed in and particular and peculiar version of Christ’s faith, assume that their beliefs cannot, and may not, be influenced by facts – the belief is correct, it is the facts which are wrong. This a type of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, much more commonly associated with Islam, I’ll grant you, but nonetheless fairly prevalent in Christianity – especially amongst those who believe that the Bible is the literal and dictated word of God – which it isn’t. If the Bible comes from God, and it’s a big ‘if’, then it is the Word of God filtered through the fallible and prejudiced minds of men (it’s worth noting that Islam suffers from the same belief: the Koran is, for most Muslims, the literal and dictated word of God and no allowance is made for the state of mind and the condition of memory that Mohammed may have been in, and had, when he had his supposed revelations of God’s Word).This poor man cannot adapt to the facts – gays exist, gays are not evil, gays are people, gays, as people, have rights (and obligations) – because he believes in a very peculiar version of Christ’s message – a version which seeks to make facts conform to unfounded beliefs. What is more, he sees himself and his faith as being persecuted and vilified by gay people when, in reality, he is merely being asked to exist in a world where opinions different from his own are allowed to exist and, what is more, a world in which the state does not take sides. It is the neutrality and objectivity of the state which he is challenging here.This poor man, this misguided and deluded Bishop who has yet to find his way in Christ, is just as bad as any Imam who wants to collapse walls on top of gay people or hang us from cranes in public squares in Tehran, or Bagdhad, or Riyadh. In fact, it could be argued that he is more dangerous than such Muslims are because he doesn’t want to kill us, he just wants us to become invisible again so that he, and others of his ilk, can continue to live in some fantasy world where the fact of our existence can be ignored – a world for which we would have to pay the price in the coin of stress, mental illness and lives led in secretive misery just so that he can pretend that his version of reality – a fantasy which ignores the facts – can be made real and keep him within his comfort zone. That truly is Narcissistic Personality Disorder and I agree with poster who said that this man should be in an institution. This poor deluded Bishop needs treatment and needs it soon – he also needs our prayers and our sympathy for his condition.He may not be able to act in a Christ-like way but we should!

  26. Peter Henry Gregory 14 Mar 2008, 5:30am

    There are plenty of holocaust deniers around. This guy is a bigoted nutter purveying the usual hate message because he sees his own power is under threat.

  27. The comments from the bishop are FAR from Christian, compassionate, loving or constructive. He is a product of poor education, ignorance, hatred and bigotry. People like him use the bible as a weapon of hate instead of its intended passages of love, reconciliation, understanding and tolerance. How can he point the finger of judgement at anyone plucking at their perceived splinter when the log is in his own eye? An embarrassment to Christians and and embarrassment to Catholics who do not sympathize with his views.

  28. Rev Kieren Bourne 14 Mar 2008, 11:17am

    Bishop Devine speaks only from his own bigoted viewpoint – a viewpoint that seems to stem from hatred and fear and which seems intent on rewriting the history books. Gay men and lesbians were imprisoned under the Nazi regime and many were tortured and killed – this is an historical FACT. As the Pastor of Living Springs Metropolitan Community Church, Bath I attend the annual civic Holocasut memorial event, and I do so not just to remember those millions of all races and classes who were murdered, but to make a public stand against the hate-filled bigotry that still emanates from certain sections of the Church. Bishop Devine does not reflect the love of Christ and until he does might I suggest that he keep his hate-filled comments to himself.

  29. I had much to say but before I did, took the time to read thru the other comments and so I will rather add my voice to what L.Andrews and Oliver.P.Cramford have said above. And so one by one by one the church is loosing it support because people has for a long time now begin to ask the ‘real’ questions’. One day the fables of Moses and the Red sea and the raising of Lazarus from the dead would be up there among favourites such as litte Red Riding Hood and the Three Little Pigs[unless you are Muslim of course]

  30. I note there were actually four motions tabled in the Scottish Parliament on this subject yesterday: Patrick Harvey’s as reported; 2 by Iain Smith MSP (1 condemning the comments of the Bishop and the other calling on the Catholic Church to oppose the deportation of Mehdi Kazemi and Pegah Emambakhsh) and; 1 by George Foulkes MSP. They are below:S3M-01572 Iain Smith (North East Fife) (Scottish Liberal Democrats): Dignity and Integrity for All— That the Parliament notes the lecture given by the Rt Rev Joseph Devine, Bishop of Motherwell, at St Aloysius’ College on Tuesday 11 March 2008; condemns his claim that homosexuals were not persecuted during the holocaust and his suggestion that the imprisonment of Oscar Wilde and other homosexuals was appropriate; observes that according to figures of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals by the Third Reich between 1933 and 1945 and that it is estimated that over 10,000 homosexuals died as a result of the Holocaust; further notes that in many countries homosexuality is today punishable by death or imprisonment, and urges all churches to defend the dignity and integrity of every individual regardless of sexual orientation. S3M-01571 Iain Smith (North East Fife) (Scottish Liberal Democrats): Roman Catholic Support for Mehdi Kazemi and Pegah Emambakhsh— That the Parliament notes Pope John Paul II’s encyclical, Evangelium Vitae, in which his late Holiness made clear that circumstances where the death penalty is acceptable are “very rare, if not practically nonexistent” and Pope Benedict’s statement when he was Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that, in modern society, it is “practically impossible” to find any cases deserving of the death sentence; also notes that Mehdi Kazemi and Pegah Emambakhsh are at risk of being executed for their homosexuality if they are returned to Iran, and calls on the Roman Catholic Church to join the cross-party campaign for the Home Office to reverse its rejection of their asylum applications.S3M-01565 George Foulkes (Lothians) (Scottish Labour): Un-Christian Remarks of Bishop Devine— That the Parliament expresses concern at the hurt which will be caused to gay people, and gay Catholics in particular, by the unfortunate, outdated and un-Christian remarks of Bishop Devine; believes that all enlightened Catholics reject all forms of prejudice including racism, sectarianism and homophobia, and acknowledges that we must all remember and learn from the past in order to equip ourselves with the tools to tackle prejudice in all its forms which includes acknowledging the rights of the LGBT community to mark Holocaust Memorial Day.

  31. quote: And so one by one by one the church is loosing it support because people has for a long time now begin to ask the ‘real’ questions’. One day the fables of Moses and the Red sea and the raising of Lazarus from the dead would be up there among favourites such as litte Red Riding Hood and the Three Little Pigs[unless you are Muslim of course] you are so right, but the last straw they have is us, the gay community. That is why the old guard are fighting so hard to lkeep hold of it.

  32. The good Bishop Devine is unwise to raise the subject of the Holocaust.He needs reminding of his church’s concection with Hitler’s Germany before, during and after World War II. Before election to the papacy in 1939 Pope Pius XII worked to conclude treaties with European nations, most notably the Reichskonkordat with Nazi Germany,ratified on September 10, 1933.In the Concordat, the German government achieved a complete proscription of all clerical interference in the political field It also ensured the bishops’ loyalty to the state by an oath and required all priests to be Germans and subject to German superiors.His leadership of the Catholic Church during World War II and The Holocaust remains the subject of continued historical controversy. After World War II, he was a vocal supporter of lenient policies toward vanquished nations. One more bit of history the Church would rather forget.

  33. Rob Alexander 14 Mar 2008, 7:55pm

    It’s about time those churches who rant against gay people in such a manner started being required to pay rates on their premises. I suspect if their cash was at risk, their tune would change.

  34. People often say that gays and lesbians were arrested and exterminated under the Nazi regime but the fact of the matter is there is no record of a single woman being arrested or killed for lesbianism; in fact lesbianism wasn’t a crime in Germany, only male homosexuality. Only gay males were arrested and executed under the Nazi regime. In fact gay males were arrested and jailed in Germany prior to the Nazi regime and they were not released from prison when other concentration camp survivors were freed. They were just transfered to different prisons.The Bishop is an ignorant tool who spews stupidity but that doesn’t mean that we should make uninformed statements in response.

  35. A “hetrosexual” male in a frock, denigrating Gays!There must be a joke in there somewhere.

  36. Bill Perdue 15 Mar 2008, 8:12am

    He must have been in a foul mood when he uttered those remarks. Maybe his altar boy said no and threatened to turn him in to the police. What do you think, Lukie?

  37. Zekewhile it is true that gay men were imprisoned before the nazi’s final solution, they weren’t executed or treated in the way they eventually were.Lesbians may not have been in the camops but their fate wasn’t rosy.ANd I’m not “hurt” by this uneducated bigot’s utterances: I’m insulted and angry; n ot least because the RC church did very little apart from trying to protect itself inm WW2. It’s moral stature was notably diminished then, and more so since.

  38. Ah Bill, still continuing the nasty little insinuations I see.Do you care to substantiate your previous accusation “Luke does indeed defend clerical rapists and the catholic cult”Let’s put it to the test Bill. You find a quote from me where I defend anything of the kind, and I’ll never post here again. If you don’t you can leave.Can’t say fairer than that can I?You seem to be confusing my total contempt for you with support for something else which I utterly condemn.Fortunately, you are in a minority of one. Every other person on this site who has ever seen my posts can attest to that. Incidentally, this story is about the anti-gay bigotry of some in the Catholic church. Your comment “Maybe his altar boy said no and threatened to turn him in to the police” is simply libellous. And I bet the owners of this site have better things to do than worry about idiots like you bringing their site into disrepute.So come on Bill, a challenge. Find any quote of mine which justifies your remark of be seen as the lying piece of crap that you are by everyone on this board.And anyone else, feel free to join in on this.The clock’s ticking Bill.

  39. William - Dublin 15 Mar 2008, 3:07pm

    Luke mate, Bill will never answer that challenge, he can’t relay simply because you never said you supported the catholic church. Billy Bolshevik here just likes to make stuff up and twist truths on the daft assumption we’re all idiots with the short term memory of a dead goldfish, and who’s only recourse is to insult those who don’t share his racist view against the British (or anyone who once visited the UK, spoke to a British person, or even seen a program on TV about the British)……poor small little Billy, marching all alone on May Day. No friends. No life. No smarts.

  40. Dominick J. 15 Mar 2008, 3:37pm

    Lorre: (Concerning Dignity)—never a shortage of priests and nuns sympathetic and supportive to gays who wanted to remain Catholics.*************************************Hi Lorre, there is a practice I have involved our church in that Dignity does, and not all their Catholic churches do this either it’s called “Solidarity Sunday.” It’s much more meaningful to a church that is fully opened and affirming. Any what I was going to say is this group of men and women are much like the Log Cabin Republicans. I haven’t been able to figure them out either.

  41. With the greatest of respect to Mr Camford, the evidence seems to suggest that there are many with faith, who commit the most appalling injustices to dignity and truth. Too many to call them ‘unChristian’, as Mr Devine is being described. This actually exhonorates Roman Christianity from any misery it has caused over the last 1700 years.People like this express and act out their hatred, inspired directly by Biblical verses, and they get away with it – because they are called ‘bishop’ ‘reverend’ ‘pastor’. And not just the Old Testament. Go to 1 Thess2 14-16 for instance. Turn off the Kindly Light, so those pink hues fade to brown, and Mr. Devine’s opinions are no different from the BNP or NF, Hitler’s Nuremberg rallies, or someone out in the street, foaming at the mouth with a sandwich board. And how was this nutcase described by the press a few years ago, when he was inline for becoming the next Bishop of Glasgow (I think it was)? “a diplomatic intellectual”.Here in Holland, all alcoholic beverage adverts carry a health warning “Geniet, maar drink met mate”(enjoy but drink in moderation). While most people here can enjoy a glass of beer, some can’t stop, or it leads them to aggression, violence, long term illness. Even though many people gain a sense of consolation from their faith. (Fine, but scientologists do lots of good work getting kids off drugs) Unfortunately faith also sends many others out of control. Maybe we should see a warning, like: “Enjoy, but believe in moderation” “Untested hypotheses about the origins of the Cosmos that differ strongly from one geographical region to the next should be treated with extreme caution”Maybe these should be on literature such as Bibles, on religious advertisements, including programmes such as “Songs of Praise” or ‘the Passion’. We should also propose a minimum age of when to expose kids to this stuff too.

  42. L. Andrews 15 Mar 2008, 5:16pm

    Zeke, you say there is no record of a single woman being arrested or killed for lesbianism. You may like to look up “Henny Schermann”. Her crime was being ” Unmarried shopgirl in Frankfurt am Main. Licentious lesbian, only visited such [lesbian] bars. Avoided the name ‘Sara.’ Stateless Jew.” She was gassed at the Bernburg killing facility. Reference – Website – United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

  43. Sounds more like the drink talking if his face is anything to go by. Either that or he has been dipping his face in the chip pan again!Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone.All the best.David

  44. Maybe the time has come for a legal framework which criminalises this sort of homophobic behaviour. An Incitement to Hatred Act, as can be seen in Ireland, would have meant that Devine’s comments would have resulted in his arrest and subsequent conviction. I understand that some legislation is currently laid before Parliament. It is absolutely vital that this includes statements by religious clerics.I have a number of Roman Catholic friends, both gay and straight, who feel very insulted by this man’s comments, and this illustrates to me that the church hierarchy is way out of step with the laiety, and how there is a deep divide between those who have faith, compassion and integrity, and those who simply attempt to exert power over others.

  45. Marcus Brigstocke on The Now Show said everything better than I wouldBBC Radio 4) “I’d like to start this week with a request, and this one goes out to the followers of the three Abrahamic religions: the Muslims, Christians, and Jews. It’s just a little thing, really, but do you think that when you’ve finished smashing up the world and blowing each other to bits and demanding special privileges while you do it, do you think that maybe the rest of us could sort of have our planet back? I wouldn’t ask, but I’m starting to think that there must be something written in the special books that each of you so enjoy referring to that it’s ok to behave like special, petulant, pugnacious, pricks.Forgive the alliteration, but your persistent, power-mad punch-ups are pissing me off. It’s mainly the extremists obviously, but not exclusively. It’s a lot of ‘main-streamers’ as well. Let me give you an example of what I’m talking about.Muslims: listen up my bearded and veily friends! Calm down, ok? Stop blowing stuff up. Not everything that said about you is an attack on the prophet Mohammed and Allah that needs to end in the infidel being destroyed. Have a cup of tea, put on a Cat Stevens record, sit down and chill out. I mean seriously, what’s wrong with a strongly-worded letter to The Times?Christians: you and your churches don’t get to be millionaires while other people have nothing at all. They’re your bloody rules; either stick to them or abandon the faith. And stop persecuting and killing people you judge to be immoral. Oh, and stop pretending you’re celibate — it’s a cover-up for being a gay or a nonce. Right, that’s two ticked off.Jews! I know you’re god’s ‘Chosen People’ and the rest of us are just whatever, but when Israel behaves like a violent, psychopathic bully and someone mentions it that doesn’t make them anti-Semitic. And for the record, your troubled history is not a license to act with impunity now.Please don’t kill us, seriously. As far as I’m concerned this is the only chance we get. When we die it’s all over — there’s no virgins and pearly gates waiting for us, no big, beardy man saying:[in deep, echoing voice and upper class accent] “Right, so how do you think that went, then? Killed a lot of people in my name I see. Not really what I had in mind. Um, tell you what, have another go as a worm.”This week Lydia Playfoot, who took Millay School in Horsham to the high court soshe could wear jewelry to prove she’s staying a virgin for Jesus, lost her case.Good. I’m glad. I don’t care how many times her parents claim it was her idea,rules is rules, and if you want to wear a ring that tells everyone you’re nothaving any sex you can get married like the rest of us.Now, the lawyer for the chaste Miss Playfoot said the question for the judge was ‘What are the religious rights of school children in the school context?’ Well, I’m no judge (not yet, anyway), but if you want my opinion, none. No rights. No religious rights whatsoever. Schools are for learning. If you want to have a little pray to prevent the P.E. teacher from being a colossal pervert, then go head, fill your boots. If you want to pop on a feathered headdress and chant and dance and mumble and sacrifice something you can do that on your own time.Now, I know that most religious folk are moderate and reasonable and wear tidy jumpers and eat cheese, like real people. And on hearing this they’ll mainly feel pity for me, rather than issue a death sentence. But they have to accept that they are the power base for the nutters. Without their passive support the loonies in charge of these faiths would just be loonies, safely locked away and medicated — somewhere nice with a view of some trees where they can claim they have a direct channel to god between sessions making tapestry coasters, watching Teletubbies and talking about their days in the Hitler Youth. Imagine what humanity might be capable of if we had that much spare time! We could explore space properly, have decent look in the sea, find a cure for James Blunt, anything!

  46. I remember hearing this on R4 and had a good chuckle.

  47. Robert, ex-pat Brit 16 Mar 2008, 1:57pm

    Bishop Devine, if you’re visiting this website for whatever reason, please check out the link below. Maybe you’ll learn a little humility in the process.

  48. William, thanks for that…Bill, I see you haven’t responded, so we can rightfully conclude that you are indeed a liar. Thanks for the confirmation.

  49. Dominick J. 16 Mar 2008, 4:24pm

    Robert, ex-pat Brit: Bishop Devine, if you’re visiting this website for whatever reason, please check out the link below. Maybe you’ll learn a little humility in the process.************************************Thanks Robert, great educational link one I will be passing around, for sure. There’s a movie out, it’s been out for a long time, so you’ll have to find it in a video store or check it out at Amazon.com. it’s called “Swing Kids.” It’s a chilling movie with some of the most exciting music of the swing era. While you’re watching it and enjoying the music and the kids, the horror is unfolding behind and then you’re caught up in the horror.The article unfolds just like what the Religious Right are doing to Gays today. They are the Satan, the Axis of Evil, the very words that Bush coined so many years ago. They must be removed from government.

  50. Robert, ex-pat Brit 16 Mar 2008, 5:40pm

    Dominick, thank you for that. I will definitely check out “Swing Kids”. Glad you found the link informative too, maybe we should all bombard the RC church with it, especially Devine’s diocese.What I don’t understand is that though there are some Catholics who practice their faith (a minority I might add) yet do not subscribe to everything the Vatican dictates, why aren’t these same people taking a stand and confronting their church head on? If they and clergy alike alike would do that, we’d all be a lot better off. I’m surprised none of the Jesuits have come to our aid.

  51. Dominick J. 17 Mar 2008, 12:35am

    Bob, when I have spoken with my Catholic friends they say they belong out of family tradition.They are actually afraid of going to hell because they’re taught the Catholic Church is the true church chosen by God.They can follow the mass by roate, which to me really doesn’t have any meaning.They tell me many issues they don’t follow everything the Pope dictates but just follow the church direction blindly.I remember when I was a kid telling my Catholic friends, then, that Jesus had several brothers and sisters, WOW you would have thought I had struck them with a lightning bolt!Some of that has changed over the years.I am happy to say several Catholic, Baptist and Luthern familys here have switched to our church because we teach real inlusivness, in our word, the word of Jesus and in our actions.

  52. Rev Kieren Bourne 17 Mar 2008, 9:29am

    Further to my earlier comment and link to our homepage, some of you might like to check out the website to Living Springs Metropolitan Community Church at http://www.mccbath.org.ukMCC is a worldwide denomination which was founded in 1968 by a gay pentecostal minister who was – yes, you guessed it – thrown out of his church.

  53. My responce to this damn priest…watch this video…

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