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Paddick welcomes poll result

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  1. The poll was flawed as it’s intended duration wasn’t made public. Newspapers often do this to produce a fixed result. As soon as the voting reflects what they want it to they stop the polling and publish the results.I also note that a tiny number of half-wits voted for the BNP, the BNP hate gay people, as do most Nazi organisations.

  2. Wow, It’s amazing to me that any PinkNews readers would support the BNP.

  3. Bill Perdue 19 Feb 2008, 9:55pm

    Zeke, I don’t believe many pinknews readers support the BNP, but a few support their slightly less hateful cousins in the Conservative and Unionist Party. And some support their equally hateful cousins in the Paisleyite hate group cloaked as a political party, misnamed the Democratic (sic) Unionist Party. These three parties share a program of homophobia and islamophobia and many other political expressions that are characteristic of end stage sociopathic politics. They are all, for the most part, supportive of christian cults. They obstinately oppose samesex marriage and protective laws for GLBT folk, immigrants and non-Europeans like the recent enhancement of the hate speech laws. Like right-wing christian extremists in the US they claim that these are ‘special rights’ that diminish the rights of heteros and Europeans, when the opposite is true. The enhancement of our rights and the rights of immigrants is a victory for the civil liberties and civil rights of everyone. Trade unions, the Labour and Lib Dem parties and most civil rights and civil liberties groups recognize this but the three antigay parties continue to oppose our agenda. That’s their loss because a lot of us vote and we don’t vote for bigots.

  4. Sister Mary Clarence 19 Feb 2008, 11:24pm

    Mave – not sure how you come to the conclusion that the poll was flawed as its intended duration was not made public. You may wish to refer to the Market Research Society (MRS) guidance which suggests no such caveat.Secondly, newspapers do not ‘often do this to produce a fixed result’. Newspaper polls are usually conducted by a small number of major polling organisations, usually headed by a egotistical pollster who thinks the world revolves around him. They all value their professional reputation above life itself and would not entertain pandering to an editor’s wish to present distorted results as it could potentially ruin a professional reputation.Again Bill your insight into British politics is mind blowing. That you never fail to offer some tenuous comparison between British and US politics which are ‘polls’ apart from each other never fails to stagger me.

  5. Just a note on the poll. We tend to conduct these over a weekend period and the immediate days after.Of course any poll relies on who is motivated to respond. But those who did take part in this poll are of course much more likely to vote on the day.I think that in the future we could publish the start and end dates more clearly.I think that the results are interesting and I dare say a little unexpected.

  6. Thank you Ben, publishing that cut off point would lend more credibility to a poll.Sister MC is wrong (as usual), I worked for a newspaper who regularly rigged polls by cutting them off when the result reflected the opinion of the editor; it is commonplace – I hold my hands up, it was my job to do it. Not all newspaper polls are run by MS organisations such as Yougov and GFKNOP; regional papers often handle them in house. Don’t get me started on Yougov, they use skewed questions (right wing slant for the Daily Telegraph).

  7. Sister Mary Clarence 20 Feb 2008, 1:01pm

    Apologies Mave I stand corrected. I was referring to the major papers – not the tin pot local ones.As for Yougov, they are members of the Market Research Society, and I think you’ll find most of the research execs there would think quite carefully before jeopardising their MRS membership before fawning to the wishes of a newspaper editor. There would be too many rivals happy to shop them for it if they did.During the last general election, altogether, YouGov published 15 campaign polls. Fourteen of these reported Labour’s share within one point of its result on election day; ten were “right” to within one point for the Conservatives, and ten within one point for the Liberal Democrats. Every figure in every YouGov poll conducted in the final three weeks of the campaign, following the initial net swing from Conservative to Lib Dem, was “correct” to within two points. This record for consistency exceeds that achieved by any polling company in any British general election.Its all very easy to criticise people or organisations that you don’t agree with, but just because you don’t like them, doesn’t necessarily make them shite. I’m not quite sure how you seem to think that doctoring a few ‘polls’ (and I use that term loosely) for the Cromer Guardian qualifies you to slag off other people.As a data analyst that has spent most of my working life analysing data and identifying trends for political parties and the media – it’s a great comfort to me to know that there are those like you corrupting public confidence in that work by doctoring results to suit an agenda.

  8. Robert, ex-pat Brit 20 Feb 2008, 1:45pm

    Ben, what is happening with haloscan? Still having the same problem here, am I the only one? Yours is the only website that I’m having a problem with. All others work using haloscan too, ironically.

  9. David Boothroyd 20 Feb 2008, 9:49pm

    It’s a bit disingenuous to say that Paddick came top. Firstly it was a self-selecting survey and not corrected for any bias in participation. Perhaps if the election was itself going to be between Ken Livingstone and Brian Paddick, transferring the second preferences would be acceptable. But it’s not; it’s going to be Ken Livingstone vs Boris Johnson when the votes of all Londoners are tallied.

  10. This is an interesting point, from PinkNews poll on Mayoral electionPinkNews.co.uk, the lesbian and gay online news agency, has published an online poll of its London readers on the Mayoral election.Ken Livingstone received the most first preference votes, with 38% to Brian Paddick’s 37% and Boris Johnson’s 13%. This no doubt reflects Ken’s long-standing support for lesbian and gay rights, including the introduction of the UK’s first Partnership Register in 2001, which paved the way for the 2004 Civil Partnership Act. Brian Paddick received the second highest number of first preference votes.Brian Paddick, the Liberal Democrat candidate, who is gay, however came first in the poll, just ahead of Ken, when the valid second preference votes of Tory candidate Boris Johnson and the Green Party’s Sian Berry were counted. That may well represent the views of those who participated in this particular poll and it would be natural to expect support for Brian Paddick in the gay and lesbian community. We would obviously have preferred Ken to win but we think his close second place running against an openly gay candidate follows from his very long record of support for gay and lesbian rights.But one important piece of information was not published by Pink News. In the real election the two likely second round candidates are Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson. It would therefore be very interesting to know who would have topped the poll out of these two candidates. So everyone can see this, it would be very good if PinkNews published the second preference choice of Brian Paddick and/or all the other candidates. That would allow people to calculate what would be the choice of those participating in the poll in a run off between Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson.We therefore hope Pink News will publish the comprehensive results.

  11. Paddick voted for the extreme leftPaddick admitted on BBC London that he gave his second preference vote to Left List. We already suspected that the LibDems were left of Labour, but this beats everything.The best guarantee against discrimination is to allow individuals as great a private sphere as possible – with as little government intervention as possible. Economic freedom is the best guarantee against discrimination. if you make sure that nobody has power over you, then they can’t discriminate against you. Therefore the free market in all its aspects is the best choice for any gay individual.

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