That’s nothing, Pink News shows an advert for the Tories.
you queens just love to bitch dont you? how do you think websites operate? its advertising – get used to it
Alpha UK sounds like a front for ex-gay ministries like we have here in the U.S. I think it is irresponsible and damaging that a tv channel could ever consider airing such homophobic nonsense. The day an ex-gay ministry can convert a heterosexual to an homosexual then maybe they’ll have some credence. So far, there has not been one credible medical or scientific study or experiment to proove any of the claims of ex-gay ministries, they have published nothing in any of the scientific or medical literature. Their time would be better spent on reforming the adulterer’s, the cheats, liars, wife beaters and molesters, all of whom are the detriment to marriage, not us. What a bunch of hypocrites and bigots!Robert, ex-pat Brit.
I was going to write to ofcom about this, then I thought, no. Let them have there say, and if Will YOung wants to do his thing then let him. I know my sexuality is within, I am pround of it, pleasd with it and enjoy it. No matter how many people try to tell me its wrong, try to tell me I am going to there hell, it wont stop my trousers twitching when I see a nice consenting man.
I am a gay Christian and I have completed the Alpha course….can i just say that I never came across the homophobia that is described here. i actually found the group very supportive for some non-gay related issues that I was dealing with at the time. I was also ‘out’ in the group and experienced no problems with this. Alpha runs in thousands of churches in the UK and like any group or programme, christian or not, I suspect each group is only as good as the people running that individual alpha. I don’t think this is alpha per se.
Can’t see the problem really, anyone who is dim enough to be brainwashed by a cult is better off out of mainstream society.
I suppose next Channel 4 will be showing ads for the BNP.Oh, wait a minute…. it’s just gays that don’t matter.As for Will Young, I never knew about his dealing with this group. Funny, I never had him down as a self loathing homosexual like so many “gay christians” are.Frankly it sickens me that C4 which has used gay programming as a main stay of its remit over the years has stooped so low to make a bit of money.Shame on you C4!
Like Rachel, I am a gay Christian who has done an alpha course. She rightly points out that there is no formal structure for an alpha course, or requirements of what to include. Each course is run differently by each individual church group. I never saw any evidence of homophobia in the alpha course just as I have never experienced any homophobia in the church of england.The church of england earns a reputation for being homophobic because it has a weak and wishy washy leadership that can’t afford (politically or financially) to tell the African churches to **** off. I have to admit though, the Holy Spirit weekend (or day in the case of my alpha course) mentioned in the article was a bit weird. There was no ‘isolation’ and no mention of homosexuality at all but there was some speaking in tongues – during which I sneaked out the back and went for a smoke. I later told the group leader that that particular element just wasn’t for me, and that was fine. No judgement, no comments, just support.
I also am a gay Christian (member of the Lesbian Gay Christian Movement) and I also have attended an Alpha Course jointly conducted by my local Church of England parish priest and the local Evangelical minister and there was no mention whatever of homosexuality let alone any denunciation of it.Timothy Chapter 1:verses 1-10 is only taken out of its context and used to victimise and harass gay people by the bigot fringe apeing the extremes from the US and Africa.They really have no place in the Anglican Communion any way – they would do better to go and join Ratzinger.Rachel is right and I support what she says from my personal experience.
The last time I checked the CofE was all about endless cups of tea and jumble sales. I suggest they stick to what they are good at.
3 people on here have attended the Alpha Course? Now what are the chances of that being a coincidence!
Alpha Course. Right. And you people who have complete this feel you needed this course, why? It just sounds like another intensive brainwashing exercise for the weak of mind and the lost.
I’m with Ciaran, to me religion is crutch for weak willed people who cannot accept responsibility for their own destiny. That may come across as a little judgemental, but I do fully accept that some people are more/less able/willing to take responsibilities for there own decisions.On the one hand, I can see that there is a potential for religion to be a force for good, providing a moral code for poeple to live by (if they are not capable of defining one for themselves), but it also has the potential to be corrupted by those who become involved – probably the very ones that need to be given a moral code by which to live.Of course who polices the moral code and people’s conformity to it? This is where is all turns to sh*t I’m afraid.If all the people on here who have outed themselves as being Christian (or any other faith) are more compassionate, loving and generous of spirit as a result, then all well and good. I wish them every success. To all the ones that have been turned into judgemental hate filled bigots, obviously I wish them something else.
Why is channel 4 trying to send the bullies after us gays again by condoning that christians are right and the rest of the world is wrong!being gay is part of our dna and makes no difference what religion you are. you were NO religion when you were born. your born into whatever religion your family brings you up on. if there was a god, dont you think we would have seen him by now! or do you only see him when you die and unable to tell anyone else he’s there? i hope that the suicide bombers (islam) blow up the christians, then we’ll all be happy!
I sought solace in my local CofE parish church when my partner died of kidney cancer after a three year battle to stay alive starting just as we both retired.I lived with my partner from my being 19 and a half years old and his being 22 years old.He died a month before my 62 birthday.After his going I was bereft and agonised as to where he had gone and how he was faring.Like all old homosexuals ,of course ,I was left completely alone without friends or family.My local parish priest and the congregation of my church were wholeheartedly welcoming to me as a gay widower and have given me support over the past two years that no-one else offered ,certainly not the dazzling young things of Manchester’s Canal Street and there is also bugger all on offer from any gay organisations in Manchester either.They are too busy sticking pink feathers up their arses for “Pride”.So to all the little gay smartarses writing here that religious faith is for the weak-minded…just wait – you will be old and alone one day too.
Bjorn, its about bigotry (religious and racial), hypocrisy and homophobia, its always been at and will continue to be at the root of inequality, anywhere on the planet. Its what has enabled religious bigots in the N. Ireland, the U.S. and everywhere else, including the EU. Its either their way or the highway, because they say that’s the way its always been. These people are frightened, insecure people, usually with a history of poverty, exploitation and lack of education. Remember, in the early days of Christianity the masses were for the most part uneducated, subservient to the elitist rulers, landowners, even the church. They’ve had centuries of brainwashing and it will take centuries to eradicate it. They’re on the decline if that’s any comfort, and they know it, its the reason why they’re so vocal. They don’t like change but thats good because it will only hasten their demise and make religion less relevant with every passing day. Its odd that they cling to a belief system that says you have to die first and if you’re lucky, get to see god. Odd that nobody has ever come back from the dead to say it were true even people who’ve had supposedly out of body experiences, none claimed to have seen god. The light that some claim they see when they are crossing over is a normal function of the brain, a fact that has been proved in the scientific literature, has nothing to do with a deity.Robert, ex-pat Brit.
I don’t care what people believe: if religion adds something to their lives I have no right to criticise. However I do have right to criticise and object to words or activities that denegrate me, my relationship or my life.I understand Chris Davies’ feelings; I know a number of Christians who demonstrate the true spirit of what I believe the Christian message to be. However, the institution of the church is homophobic regardless of its membership. The same goes for the other two abrahaic religions: Judeism and Islam
apYrs, I don’t care what people believe in either, but nobody’s religion should be allowed to interfere in the political process let alone the laws. Religion is a private, chosen matter, as such, keep it where it belongs, in the home. How would they like it if the tables were turned and say for example, a gay owned hotel turned down a christian, a jew, a hindu, a muslim because we don’t like the way their religion or their “lifestyle”? Its the same difference. They want it all their way, or its the highway! NO MORE! Robert, ex-pat Brit.
As Mahatma Gandhi so beautifully put it:- “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
And to Chris Davies, I empathise with you and your loss, and wholeheartedly agree that most of the “gay scene” are little more than shallow twits with the all the complexity of a marshmallow, but I sincerely hope I never have to turn to primarily homophobic church for solace…. that’s what I’ve invested in good friends for.You were lucky to find an open minded priest/church, I do not think it’s that common. If religion worked for you at you time of need, that’s fantastic, but don’t be so quick to assume the rest of us will also turn to them in times of troubles. I for one put no stock in any of their nonsense, and I still believe religion, with all its contradictory oppressive rules and prejudices, by and large, is for the lost masses and those who can’t think for themselves.
[...] Anyway, hopefully that all makes sense, enough rambling from me. The article I refer to by the way can be found at: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5416.html [...]