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Mass civil partnership ceremony at Manchester Pride

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  1. Ryan Haynes 22 Aug 2007, 1:10pm

    A mass civil partnership? Oh please. What have we come to? TakeAway orders for unions?Yuk, I was for Civil Partnerships before they were granted. Now, I vote we get rid of them – especially if these shabby PR techniques are tried time and time again.Proud to be gay? No, not if this is what a marriage is.

  2. Ryan, would that they were marriages, sadly they’re not, never will be. I’m all for abolishing them if they’re not going to be upgraded to what they should be called, “marriage”. Its going to happen here in the state of New Jersey, Civil Unions are NOT working after a six month commission reported that employers are only recognising married couples even though civil unioned couples are told that they are entitled to all the rights of marriage. Its been an exercise in futility and it doesn’t. work.Robert, ex-pat Brit, USA.

  3. Ryan Haynes Robert, Sorry but you guys don’t know what you’re talking about. I am in a civil Partnership and it was the only way to keep my partner in the country ( he’s American ) If it wasn’t for the cvil partnership act he would have had to leave so personally i’m incredibly grateful for it. And as for roberts point that american employers don’t recognise the rights of civil partners…quelle surprise! the US being such a bastion of progressive attitudes (NOT). Certainly my employer recognises civil partnerships as being equivalent to heterosexual marriage as does British Law. I hope neither of you ever find yourselves in love with a non EU national if you want the civil partnership act scrapped. It’s the most important bit of equality legislation since decrimilisation

  4. Ryan Haynes 22 Aug 2007, 3:38pm

    I’m not against Civil Partnerships in theory. But it seems that people are promoting them as a campaign rather than as a display of love and commitment.I understand for some people like yourself they are neccessary to prevent a partner being sent back to their country.But, I fear that too much hype and stunts rather than just respect for civil partnerships make them a joke to the rest of the world.

  5. Ryan… I still disagree with you really. I’m not infavour of hype or stunts and yes the very idea of amass civil partnership in my mind belittles the whole business BUT that’s up to the individuals involved. My ceremony was myself my partner, and two witnesses at the local registry office but if some couples want to get “hitched” on a float at a pride festival with many others , surely that’s their right? Taste is subjective after all? As for civil partnerships being a “joke” in the eyes of the world? Other than amongst bbigots like nigerian bishops, i don’t know who you mean, certainly my many non british friends are extremely impressed by the amount of rights not least the right to live and work in the uk for non-EU partners that civil partnerships convey. And American friends of my Partners are especially impressed because they see how much more progressive our country is that theirs. Britain is now up there with about 5 or 6 other countries in terms of equal rights for gay people, i think we should be proud of that, even if some gay people choose to “marry” in a “tacky” way….

  6. Ryan Haynes 22 Aug 2007, 4:35pm

    Andy you certainly took my use of the word ‘Joke’ out of context there. ‘Joke’ was in line with the hyped procession civil partnerships. The same can be said for celebrity marriages…I guess marriage is losing it’s shine for me…

  7. Any legislation that furthers gay rights is definately a step in the right direction. In Canada we have the right to marry. I wish everyone would just get over it and accept the inevitable…but certain cultures have a problem with it. Civil unions may not be everything we want, but for now, it’s better than nothing.

  8. Just over a year ago, I attended my two best friends’ civil partnership ceremony. It was the happiest, most loving and joyous event I have been to in many many years. What they did that day, in the eyes of all those who love them – and to many others – was no ‘joke’. It was a ceremony filled with emotion, tenderness, commitment and pride (in every sense of that word). They chose to have their ceremony as a personal and private affair. As another poster has said, if some other couples want to share their special day with others as part of a wider celebration, why shouldn’t they?Why is it, when there are so many in the wider society lining up to spit their venom and their hate at LGBT people, do some of us choose to join them and seek to belittle and pour scorn on something that – even if imperfect – means so much to my best friends and countless others?Even if you, yourself, disapprove of partnerships as not going far enough – and I see that argument, believe me – can you not argue that case without the contemptuous dismissal of those who choose to commit to each other in this way?Why so much hostility?

  9. Andy, I’m not saying that Civil Partnerships don’t serve a real purpose, they do, but I don’t want to see my fellow gay brothers and sisters not settling for full marriage equality. The UK’s civil partnership law goes a lot further than any civil unions laws we have here in the U.S. Ours don’t permit sponsoring one’s foreign partner. All parliament has to do is just change the name assuming we are supposed to have all the rights of marriage, so why is it so difficult and why shouldn’t we push for it? As a gesture of goodwill, I think David Cameron could go an extra mile if he’s serious enough about courting the gay vote and winning the next election and I don’t think any Labour candidate would oppose it either, now that the country has become accustomed to the new law. The sky didn’t fall in and society didn’t disintegrate nor did the institution of marriage as church leaders and religious bigots predicted. Keep fighting for full equality, that’s all I’m saying and don’t ever be lulled into a false sense of security because of the current laws. There’s a great deal of room for improvement.Robert, ex-pat Brit, USA

  10. Hi robert…i suppose for me the whole “marriage” vs “civil partnership” thing is academic. What i have with my partner under civil partnership legislation is good enough for us. Virtually everyone, including the right wing press refer to civil partnerships as “gay marriages” already, and most of my friends especially the straight ones refer to my partner as my “husband” and to me as his “husband”. I’m not remotely religious so have no special affinity for the word “marriage”.If the actual rights conferred on the couple under “civil partnership” were less than those given to “married” couples, then i would take issue. As legally we’re equal, the name doesn’t bother me either way…If anyone asks i just say i’m married anyway, “civilly partnered” doesn’t sound quite right. BUT i certainly wouldn’t object to the term changing to “marriage” and i’m sure it will, because that’s what most people already call it. In the meantime, we should enjoy the new rights we have IF we want to use them, and however we want to use them.

  11. guy fleming 21 Sep 2007, 1:14pm

    Good on Middlesborough`s Chief of Police.Every community benfits by a recognised Gay quarter – ask neighbours Brighton.Even my old city, Plymouth, somewhat studgy, has birthed a Gay Pride event this year…nver thought THAT would happen, so who knows?GuyFleming

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