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  1. marica belcar 5 Mar 2007, 10:43am

    great!!!!!!!

  2. I’ve just come from the Jesus in love website, and I think it’s brilliant. I have also ordered the book.The homophobia of Christians and the Church was one of the two main reasons why I stopped being a Christian, so I totally applaud what Kittredge Cherry and others are doing.

  3. jeff brown 24 Mar 2008, 2:34am

    i no that god is against homosexuality,it says in the bible GODS word if you do not believe then i ask that you read these scriptures.genesis 19:1-11,leviticus 18:22,and leviticus 20:13,judges 19:22-25,deuteronomy 23:17,1 kings 14:24,1kings 15:22,1kings 22:14,2kings 23:7.these will explane why it is wrong to be a homosexual.GODS word is truth and can not lie.GOD BLESS YOU

  4. William - Dublin 24 Mar 2008, 11:40am

    Wow, Jeff. You know gods word? That must make you feel *real* special….Of course, its much more likely your a simpleton with delusions of the divine.Here’s a quote for you: “Whenever a man does a thoroughly stupid thing, it is always from the noblest motives.”-Oscar Wilde

  5. jeff, If you’re going to castigate us from on high, at least improve your spelling, punctuation and grammer.Incidentally, why are you hanging round a gay website in the first place?

  6. Robert, ex-pat Brit 24 Mar 2008, 1:15pm

    Jeff Brown, you might want to take a look at the following link before resorting to your distorted often questionable references in the bible. Most of the references I’m providing for you target straights and I strongly urge you to go after them before singling out us. Check this out…www.fallwell.com

  7. Robert, ex-pat Brit 24 Mar 2008, 1:16pm

    Luke, he’s probably one of those so called “ex-gays”. Obviously he’s not learned to pray away the gay in him otherwise he wouldn’t be trolling gay websites and no doubt porn sites too.

  8. jeff brown 25 Mar 2008, 5:36am

    yes you are right that my spelling is a little on the rough side.you must remember that we all will give an account for what we do here weather it is right or wrong,we will be judged it says it in GODS word remember what i said HIS word does not lie.be blessed my friend

  9. jeff brown 25 Mar 2008, 5:39am

    just woundering there my friend if you read the bible cause only there will you find the truth and that my friend will set you free from what ever sin that you are commiting

  10. jeff brown 25 Mar 2008, 4:32pm

    the reason i’m hanging around a gay site is because you people have your site on a christian site,and i just thought that i might be able to offer you people a little free advice.you know truth GODS word is truth and will set you free from your sins.be BLESSED my friend

  11. Jeff – “GODS word is truth and will set you free from your sins”And which words would these be exactly? If we are to believe Leviticus 18:22,and Leviticus 20:13, then tell me why, for the love of Zeus, are we NOT to believe Leviticus 11:10 – eating shellfish is an abomination. Seriously, if you do believe, you don’t get to pick and choose which sin is worse. It makes the whole thing a joke (unless, of course, we are to assume someone up there was having a titter when they wrote ‘the shellfish clause’). Sadly, the amount of contradiction within the Bible –which had its own gay heros in David and Jonathan – means its hard to see it as more a set of suggestions than anything literal.

  12. Robert, ex-pat Brit 25 Mar 2008, 5:52pm

    Tristan, refer to the following website to arm yourself against these Jesus freaks. There is a lot in their bible that doesn’t put them in a very good light, Leviticus quotes notwithstanding.www.fallwell.com

  13. Can someone explain why my posts are being deleted? I am making very similar points to some of the others on here using very similar language. Would the Editor please comment as I feel as though I am being singled out.

  14. william man you can call me names all you want but when you really look at GODS truths in the BIBLE you will truly see that they will set you free from your sins.all you have to do is call on the name of the real JESUS with all your heart and HE will be there.you should try it you might be surprised when HE will do for you.cause there was never a guy christ in GODS HOLY BIBLE.

  15. Tristan i cannot anwser for GOD but i do no that HIS word is truth and that HE is real.what ever HIS word says about not to lie with males as we lie with woman is truth.

  16. tristan if HIS word says that these things that are in the sea its truth so we must do what it says if we are true christians.

  17. Your comments are being deleted for being crude. Accusing people of masturbating over TV programmes such as the world’s strongest man is unacceptable. If you do want to comment, please try to do so without recourse to vulgarity.

  18. Thank you for setting out the boundaries for us all to follow. I trust that the offence caused to a majority of the people on here by anti-gay bigots will be treated with a similar lack of tolerance, and I look to your excellent judgement to ensure that recourse to vulgarity will not be necessary in future.

  19. Sister Mary Clarence 25 Mar 2008, 11:06pm

    So Jeff, just to clarify, if you are buying into the whole Leviticus thing then, I presume you are NOT a believer in Darwin’s Theory of Evolution, and that you do not believe that the complex creature that man is has derived from much simpler creatures over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. Instead you believe that we are the incestuous offspring of Adam and Eve, Adam having been the creation of God and Eve his clone-line ‘sister’ created from his rib (or a bit of).I only ask because did not God himself ban God-bothers from marrying their own brothers or sisters? This being the case, it seems a bit of a liberty to then create a whole species on the back of a guy and his sister/rib bone clone getting it on together.

  20. robert its not that i’m singing you people out its just that its a sin to lie with and have sex with the anyone of the same gender.its an abomination to the almighty GOD and HIS commandments

  21. well sister mary,yes you are right that eve was created from the rib of adam,if you read the bible you would no that it was GOD who created all of humanity,i encourage you to do alittle back round check on adam and eve.then you will no that they are not brother and sister this is were GOD made eve to be with a man and not with the same gender.

  22. editorGiven your silence, one can draw the inference that, actually, you do not have clear standards that you work to, and that you do not intend to protect us from such offence in the way I have described.The battle for Gay Rights has largely been won throughout Europe. You know that as much as we do, and I do not see why we should have to defend ourselves against those who wish to use this forum to insult us.I am fed up with my sexual identity being insulted. There are people here who I respect, such as SMC and William in Dublin, and they seem to be willing to engage in this debate with these people. But I think now that that the focus should be how we as a community moves forward from here. This means letting go of the debates that have had their time, and look forward to thre challenges ahead.This is a GBLT website and we need to feel safe and able to debate the real issues that affect us.I ask you, again, if you intend to adopt an even-handed approach that prevents posters to this forum from feeling so angry.Please have the courtesy to respond to this message.

  23. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 1:53am

    Thank you for clarifying that Jeff. So I think we can take it that you do take the big at face value.That said then are you able to explain how the Book of Ruth fits into the God’s condemnation of homosexuality? Ruth and Naomi appear to have an ‘unnatural’ friendship to the extent that Ruth pledges to remain with Naomi to their deaths.Similarly, the story of David and Jonathon is clearly a tale or two homosexual lovers. Whilst David married Michal, this was clearly a political union, and although it is often mentioned that Michal loved David, it is never once mentioned that David loved her. Whereas much is made of the great love that Jonathon and David have for each other and the pact that then ensues as a result of that great love.Lastly for now, of course, Jesus himself never once condemns homosexuality. Why is that?

  24. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 1:54am

    oops – “So I think we can take it that you do take the BIBLE at face value”Bloody hell – looks like that bad spelling thing is catching

  25. What you can infer from my silence is the office is closed – this is a UK website. If you leave a comment at 9.47pm you are unlikely to get an immediate response.I chose to explain (in my own time) why your comment was removed and now I am coming back to check on the site and am taking more time to explain (again) why your comment was removed. It was removed because I felt it fell below the standard of argument I judge to be acceptable on this website. If I see any other comments that I judge to be childish I shall remove them.There are dozens of reasons comments are removed, among them legal reasons. However, the comments tend to only be looked at and reviewed about once every day. Those are the standards I work to. It is my job to judge what is and is not acceptable on PinkNews.co.uk.I do not intend to be drawn into some long, fruitless war of words just because you feel you are being unfairly targeted. This is not a democracy, you have no rights here. The removal of comments is entirely at my discretion. You appear to labour under the misapprehension you are entitled to protection from being insulted, while dishing out childish ad hominem attacks. I can only suggest you do not leave comments, especially as you say you do not feel ‘safe’ in doing so.The vast majority of our time is spent researching and writing articles, not monitoring the comments pages. Unless we spent large amounts of time checking every comment and assessing whether or not David S might be insulted by it, then I see no way of stopping people of a religious disposition visting the site and expressing their views. Nor do I think this poster is being particularly insulting, just doing what he thinks he should do in telling us all we are going to burn in Hell unless we repent to Jesus. Fine, I get letters and emails on a daily basis, not to mention the odd abusive phone call, which are a lot more threatening than this man. I generally find ignoring people in forums such as this one is the best way to dismiss their views.Thanks for your comments. I shall not be entering into any further debate or discussion with you on this matter, principally because a) it is a waste of my time and b) I am sure you and perhaps other posters will have much fun attacking what I have just said and feeling that you are hard done by. I shall of course now expect the textbook angry email castigating me and telling me you shall never be visiting our site again. I shall prepare myself.Tony GrewEditor.

  26. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 4:22am

    sister mary i take it the you are one them that think that being gay is ok.if you read the bible it says that HE will use the people no matter how much education we have as long as i am obedient to what HE commands me to do,then it will be me that HE says well done to,and you will answer for what you do or don’t do here.if you are gay you will answer if you do not repent of the sins you are commiting.

  27. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 4:33am

    sister mary why do you call your self that name it is a christian name.and if you study the bible you would no that ruth is the mother-in-law of naomi and naomi is simply taking care of her because her husband died,and naomi married ruths son and he died so they were both heading for bethleham to get back there faver with GOD.

  28. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 4:37am

    sister mary i think you should read in the bible in leviticus 18:1-30,and you will know what GOD condemns

  29. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 5:37am

    Jeff, I have read the Bible and I have read other books too, so I would argue that I have a more balanced view on it than some.The Bible never actually mentions homosexuality once. The term never came into use until the 19th century.The Bible does condemn Sodomites often interpreted as meaning homosexuals but in fact the Sodomites’ sins were lust, greed, wrath, sloth, pride, – they were adulterers, fornicators, male prostitutes – male prostitutes who actually serviced women, making the idea that references to Sodomites should now be translated as homosexuals all the more bizarre.The Bible also makes it clear that homosexual acts as part of pagan rituals is forbidden. If my memory services me correctly there is also reference to straight people going against their nature and engaging in homosexual acts, which is similarly forbidden. It says nothing about homosexual acts undertaken by homosexualsI fully appreciate that you have probably undergone years and years of religious indoctrination and that it is unlikely that I, or anyone else on this site, will be able to convince to open you mind to the possibility of things being different to way you have been taught. I believe that rather than serving to enrich your life, your religious teachings have been destructive and abusive. I believe that those who have done this to you have only ever had their own interests at heart and not those of others.The Bible is a complex book and it is so very unfortunately that many of those that guide others through it choose to teach the religion of intolerance and hatred. Clearly you have lost the ability to follow your own moral compass, but I hope that one day you will find the courage and strength to use it again.

  30. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 5:41am

    btw I think you’ll find that Ruth was the daughter in law of Naomi, not the other way round.I think you’ll also find that quite a lot of poeple interpret their relationship as a little bit more than just mother and daughter in law.

  31. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 6:05am

    sister mary you should look up sodom and gomorrah it will explain all you need to no about homosexuality its in the bible,and no one has done anything to me but GOD its the way he wants us all to live in truth.and as for these straight people going against there nature they all answered to GOD for what they did,as will we in the end of time as we no it,and it is coming real soon.so think twice about the way you are living your life.

  32. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 6:32am

    Saying that the last recorded acts of the Sodomites ( the demands for same-gender sex) are proof that they were destroyed for homosexuality is like saying that a condemned man cursing his guards on the way to his execution is being executed for cursing the guards. Sodom was judged worthy of destruction before the incident with Lot and the angels. In any case had the mob not had sex with Lot’s daughters but with the angels instead, the sin against the angels would surely have been to engage in forced sex (rape) rather than anal sex (or sodomy as we now know it).Typically the Christian faith cannot distinguish throughout the Bible the difference between homosexual rape and consensual homosexual acts. Clearly the first is wrong as an act of sexual violence in exactly the same was as heterosexual rape would be.I’m afraid if you are going to cite the scriptures at me to make your argument, then you’ll have to do a little better than that one my friend.

  33. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 6:36am

    Of course the other interpretation of the Sodom and Gomorrah issue is that angels are not human then the potential rape of the angels would be considered to be bestiality therefore. I think again here most of us would agree that bestiality is probably wrong as well. Bestiality is not homosexuality though, so I fear even this interpretation doesn’t really make your argument either.

  34. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 6:47am

    sister mary are you trying to justiefy sodomy to me its not me you should be asking about this its GOD HE will give you an answer if you ask in faith or can you ask in faith,are you living a sinful life why you are trying to ask me these questions.like i said before GOD judges the ones that sin.as far as knowing the bible goes it will never be totaly revealed until the return of CHRIST.

  35. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 7:01am

    well if that didnot make my argument sister mary then you should look at this in 1corinthians 6:9-10 tells us that no fornicators,idolaters,adulterers,homosexuals,sodomites,thieves,covetous,drunkards,revilers,extortioners will inherit the kingdom of GOD

  36. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 7:30am

    david you say your right have being won,well what about CHRISTS rights HE paid the price and here you people are saying that HE was gay come on i don’t no were you people get this garbage from.i think its the enemy of this world that makes people like you think that its ok to mock jesus by saying that HE was gay.

  37. Robert – Thanks for the tip. I’ll definitely have a look as soon as I can but I’m at work at the moment though! : ( I do think though zealots argue against themselves anyways as they only seem to spout constant contradictions. (wonder why that is…?).Sister Mary – That is a fascinating hypothesis and one I’ve never heard before. Thank you for such an intriguing perspective to mull over.Jeff – Thanks for clarifying the position regarding the abomination that is eating shell fish. I will petition Captain Birdseye immediately to enlighten him as to the error of what he is doing. I will also stop shopping at top man for them selling clothes of two thread types (Lev 19:19)Now I have another question though. Regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, I want to know why the ‘hero’ of the piece is saved despite the fact he sleeps with his own daughters and what 1corinthians 6:9-10 says about that (ie. will he go to hell too?). I mean, you can’t seriously be trying to promote a religion that in turn promotes incest can you?Looking purely at Lot, I can only think of three explanations as to His will looking at it. 1) He missed Lot when he was actually aiming for him too. 2) Incest is okay, hence why he was let go. 3) Incest isn’t okay, but God wanted Lot to do some thing anyway and so decided to use him before sending him to hell, thus making god a user. Can you please clarifiy this?

  38. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 11:41am

    Jeff, again you’ll have to do a bit better than that I’d afraid. I think if you refer back to the Jerusalem Bible rather than the Reverend Tinpot’s Bible of Distorted Teachings or whatever version you are actually referring to, you will see that the text reads:“people who do wrong; people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanderers, swindlers”This I think makes my earlier point about Sodomites being mistranslated at homosexuals. If I do ever eventually pass away and am to be judged as to whether I have prostituted myself to female clients at any point in my life, then I think my entry into the kingdom of heaven is pretty much assured.And Tristan, yes, I’d stop shopping at Top Man immediately. That polycotton will be the death of you otherwise.

  39. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 11:50am

    Jeff, your comments to David to hinge on that fact that suggesting someone is gay is some sort of a slur. To you, the product of distorted religious teachings, perhaps it is, but it does not necessarily follow that everybody sees it that away.Again I’ll remind you that Christ NEVER condemned homosexuality

  40. Robert, ex-pat Brit 26 Mar 2008, 1:38pm

    Tristan, you are most welcome.Jeff, can you please clarify something for me regarding Genesis? If Adam and Eve were the first parents who begat children, who was responsible then for going forth and multiplying if all they had were their children? In my limited knowledge of scripture for that to have occurred, would not their offspring have to have had incestual sexual relations to propogate or did your so called creator forget to create a second couple to copulate so that their offspring could procreate with Adam and Eve’s children? If that is the case, where is it stated in Genesis? We need proof, please explain.

  41. SMC and RobertWhy are we bothering to debate these kind of issues with this man? Is it honestly worth the effort?

  42. ladeladela…hmmm.mad christians yet again…would rather rather discuss cricket with a sea slug….hmmm, read my bible many times actually…ten commandments generally basis of GOD’s law…no mention of homosexuality…jesus-bless him-alive for over 30 years..never no never, not once, mentioned homosexuality, therefore obv. not a big issue as far as GOD is concerned. However Jesus did make 2 things VERY clear….A)”let him who is without sin cast the first stone”…doubt that that applies to you Jeff, as don’t christians believe we are all SINNERS, and B)”do not judge or you will be judged, do not condemn or you will be condemned, and with the measure you use, so shall it be measured against you” Maybe you should remove all those planks from your own eye, before worrying about the sexual specs of sawdust in other peoples eyes Jeff. Have a nice life and try and be a good christian by not judging other peoples lifestyles, that’s GOD’s job NOT YOURS!!!!

  43. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 4:35pm

    I have to confess I absolutely love debating issues about religion with people who have been indoctrinated to believe a corrupted interpretation of scriptures that were actually written to guide mankind to betterment.I have absolute surety that they is nothing contained in the Bible that condemns my homosexuality as wrong or sinful, and therefore I have absolutely surety that no one will be able to successfully argue that it does.Every last one of the purported references to homosexuality in the Bible both new and old testaments have been explained away by philosophers and theologians as erroneous. Sitting the many different versions of the Bible side by side is often very telling, showing as it does the different interpretations placed on the original texts.Those that come on to this site to damn us are seldom, articulate, intelligent or erudite and should be no threat to any of us. The argument (if you can call it that) is always the same. We are bad because the Bible says so. Why the Bible says so, no one can ever explain. Of all the sticks we get beaten with in life religion has little clout these days.

  44. SMCThank you for your measured, sensible and polite comments. They are much appreciated.Although I agree with what you are saying, I also have the opinion that many of these bible-bashers also experience same-sex sexual attraction, and that their ranting and raving has more to do with self-denial on their part. The psychology is not really complicated, for as I have said before, much of this is not a dry intellectual debate in my honest opinion. I tend to be guided by what motivates and drives people: their desires, hopes and fears. For example, my experiences of homophobia have generally been such that I have been on the receiving end of homophobia from working-class communities. As a result of this, I have a prejudice (rightly or wrongly) against working-class people. This may shock some people who are reading this, but I have never believed myself to be perfect. The result of all of this, is that, by defiling a whole group in society, it seems to cover up my own shortcomings.And so, I wonder if this also applies to the bigoted individuals, whether religious or not, who seem to take great pleasure in posting on this forum. This is the point that I have been attempting to make, unsuccessfully, in recent days.I feel very sad that, for decades (even centuries), GLBT people have felt a lack of empowerment on the behest of religious institutions, only to have that replaced with a similar lack of empowerment in the digital world by people who have their own interpretation of what is right and wrong.And it is even more sad that today, in New Labour Britain, we have a government who grants rights in the form of Civil Partnerships, yet has been instrumental in gradually eroding our rights as citizens. Gay rights have now become corporatised, with Stonewall being sponsored by big business without grass-roots input or support, and gay business people who are also just as ruthless in the treatment of people and the silencing of dissent.Are we any better off? We have gained so much, but lost so much as well. I just don’t know.

  45. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 5:34pm

    sister mary i don’t proclaim to be inteligent,but i do proclaim that GOD will judge those who live the wrong way.there is a judgement for all that are on this earth you shouls take that to heart before it is to late,because the second death is the most painful and the ones that end up there are there for ever,this means who ever ends up there can never leave.eternal damnation.think about that.you can find that in revelations you say you no the holy word of GOD then tell me what happens to those who don’t make it through the door.

  46. Robert, ex-pat Brit 26 Mar 2008, 6:28pm

    David S, you’re right in one way, we shouldn’t bother arguing with people like Jeff. What I find interesting about him and others of his belief system is that they obsess so much about homosexuality ad nauseum. Just what is it that they find so interesting, stimulating, attractive even, to the exclusion of every other questionable reference in the bible? I suspect he is deeply closeted and in denial. I’m still waiting for his explanation or proof thereof as to how this planet became populated by humans if we are to believe that Adam and Eve were the first “humans” to procreate and bring forth children. In my scant reading of genesis, I have not encountered any reference to another male and female who coexisted at the time of A E, have you?

  47. Indeed not, but there again the Old Testament has always been considered by a lot of Christians as a load of old twaddle! Even the existence of Jesus, which is a historical fact in itself, does not give the bible-bashers much comfort (or at least it shouldn’t give them much comfort) because he died on the cross. And the reason? Because he was different. Because he was an outcast. Just like the gays in Iran, only they have to die on a noose rather than a cross.

  48. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 6:41pm

    robert if go in to the bible that you have you no that GOD created adam and eve,and this is how humans where creaated, but in genesis 3:1-24 you will find the fall on man kind this should explain why sin is here and why you live the way you do is probably becausesomething happened to you in your childhood.tell me if i’m right or wrong.

  49. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 6:49pm

    robert you can’t believe that the gays in iran die by hanging just like CHRIST paid the price on the cross come off it you people will answer to the and only most high GOD for the way you live.this is fact.if you read the GODS word then you no that there is judgement for all sin no matter what anyone thinks.weather they think its ok or not.

  50. jeff brown 26 Mar 2008, 7:48pm

    david.s we can argue until were blue in the face, but here’s something for you to read if you really do read GODS word read 1timothy 2:20-26,GOD BLESS you i just can’t talk to people that have an excuse for there sins.

  51. William - Dublin 26 Mar 2008, 7:53pm

    Tell you what, Jeff, when you take the time to read and understand the “Origin of the Species” then we’ll try to read the bible.Folks, we’re wasting our time with this twit. He talks about the so called “fact” that we will answer to god “for the way you live”. We all know this is a load of religious nonsense. This Jeff is noting new:- we’ve all seen that other fool Hank and his moronic dogma. He’s not worth the effort. Who here cares what he thinks?Here are the facts:- If Jeff thinks mankind came from the incestuous offspring of Adam and Eve, let him. It means he’s a fool. If Jeff thinks the bible is literal, then it means he’s a fool. If he thinks we’re gay becuase of a “childhood” incident, then it means he’s fool.The reality is that we have barely literate idiot telling people in this forum, many whom I know to be educated and clever, that he’s is “better” than us. It is beneath us all to argue with a man who cannot think for himself and is noting more than a self righteous buffoon.When the last stone, from the last church, falls on the last priest, then mankind can move forward and leave this backward muppet Jeff in the past where *HE* belongs.

  52. William - Dublin 26 Mar 2008, 8:00pm

    Actually, my last comment is a little unfair… Jeff did say something that is quite correct:”sister mary i don’t proclaim to be inteligent”Well said, Jeff! In fact, if you believe everything in the bible, not only do you positively excel in lacking intelligence, its actually a surprise you can type at all!

  53. Honestly guys, this guy is an idiot. I’m off for a demon drink and to prepare myself to burn in the fires of hell.

  54. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 8:46pm

    Good to have you back Jeff! Let’s pick up where we left off then. You mentioned sin a number of times, but your offerings yesterday on where the Bible actually said that homosexuality was a sin, were to be frank none too challenging to dismiss. Are you actually able to come up with any concrete statements in the Bible that do indicate that homosexuality is a sin?To be clear, you need to avoid references to Sodomites, who we have established were not homosexuals, to forced sex of any sort, which again we established is rape, and lastly to pagan rituals, particularly when engaged in by the priesthood.If you can come up with a cast iron statement against homosexuality, then I am more than happy to relinquish all pleasures of the flesh.

  55. William - Dublin 26 Mar 2008, 9:07pm

    Why, Sister Mary, I do believe you are getting some sinful pleasure out of this “debate” with our delightfully primordial friend Jeff… shame on you, my dear!

  56. Robert, ex-pat Brit 26 Mar 2008, 9:38pm

    Jeff, why do you go out of your way to single out gays? Why aren’t you spending your precious time helping your straights since it is they who have the monoply on this abstract thing you call sin. Remember, it is they who are for the most part committing adultery, rape, murder and other crimes of moral turpitude. It is they who are screwing up this world, not us.Secondly, I’m still waiting for your explanation as to how Adam and Eve populated the planet and where is the evidence for that in Genesis?

  57. William - Dublin 26 Mar 2008, 9:52pm

    Robert, I think the only answer to that on is that he’s a “tad” obsessed with us… an unhealthy obsession to say the least… methinks the lady protest too much and all that! No doubt Jeff desperately tries to imagine the boy next door when he’s knocking up his ostensible wife…….Jeff is a basket case or closet case or both.

  58. Robert, ex-pat Brit 26 Mar 2008, 9:57pm

    William, I think most of these christo-fundamentlists are obsessed with homosexuality period and its quite revealing, isn’t it? I suspect most of them are deeply closeted gay men who can’t accept their orientation and who bur themselves in denial by cloaking their natural inclination in religion, they just want to fit in I suppose with the majority. They remind me of those equally closeted politicians who vote against equality legislation, typical self-loathers. Jeff and his ilk are no exceptions. I’m still waiting for his response to my question about how Adam and Eve populated the planet.

  59. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 10:11pm

    Well, you might just be right William. Always good to see you wading in btw

  60. William - Dublin 26 Mar 2008, 10:11pm

    Indeed Robert. Normal people don’t obsess about gays to that degree. Also, I think Jeff has a lot to answer on many excellent issues put to him by the good people here. Lets recap, shall we?(1) If Adam and Eve were the first, then logically their kids would have had to have incestuous “relations” to spawn humanity. Medical science has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (i.e. Jeff, that’s fact, not theory), that such a small gene pool would produce a bunch of retards and the human race would die out in a few generations. So, how did this work Jeff?(2) If Leviticus 18:22 states “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” and Leviticus 11:11 and 11:12 states that eating shellfish is ALSO an abomination, therefore people who eat prawn toast are EQUALLY damned as gay people, and should be put to death. Quad erat demonstratum. Please Jeff, explain.(3) Show us EXACTLY where Jests condemned gay relations. Come on Jeff, this should be easy for you…(4) If “sodom and gomorrah” is about condemning gays, clearly Lot is an example of what we should do to be in GOD’s light…. he shagged his daughters, and then offered them to a mob to be raped. Sooooooo, incest is okay, but gays aren’t? Please, elaborate.Come on Jeff, give Robert and Sister Mary a good clarification/laugh on the above points…. if you can.If you can’t then it just shows you and your dogmatic kind as the stuttering liars you really are, doesn’t it?

  61. William - Dublin 26 Mar 2008, 10:44pm

    Always glad to drop by and help you good folks bash a puritan!Still no sign of Jeff to answer our questions and show us the light… oh, wow is us, condemned to hell! Hell… full of red fire and packed full of queers half naked writhing and moaning……no, wait, that’s a gay bar. Sorry.

  62. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Mar 2008, 11:20pm

    I’d like to think that the reality that his lifetime’s beliefs are not quite as clear cut as he has always believed has finally struck him, but I suspect the reality is that he is feverishly scanning through the good book looking for that illusive reference to homosexuality really being sinful.That being the case he’ll be looking a good while yet

  63. I see the penny has dropped then :o)

  64. Robert, ex-pat Brit 27 Mar 2008, 1:22pm

    William, thank you for helping out. I’ve no doubt that Jeff and others will come up with some preposterous excuse to explain away the lack of or existence of another couple other than Adam Eve. In regard to item 1 of your response, that a small gene pool would produce a bunch of retards makes sense since its produced the likes of Jeff and his ilk. How proud he must be to be a direct descendant of such an illustrious, incestuous family!Jeff, we’re still waiting for your explanation backed up by proof that there was more than one couple other than your forbears, Adam Eve to have populated this planet of ours. Can you please enlighten us, who were the other couple that seem to evade the book of Genesis?

  65. Y’know Robert, considering the sage Jeff hasn’t answered any queries on incest in the tale of Lot either I’m starting to wonder if this book actually does promote it… It cetainly could explain a lot about certain people who follow it.(I’ve also been pondering the immortal question as well, if sex is a sin o why do we still have Christians?)William, I asked your 2nd question earlier and he does indeed belive prawn toast is a sin. Feel free to join my crusade against the heathen villian who is Captain Birdseye as well! Though I do kinda like your version of hell, where can I get entry??

  66. Robert, ex-pat Brit 27 Mar 2008, 3:29pm

    Tristan, it wouldn’t surprise me if he comes up with an answer or excuse of some sort, most of them do but none of them can really prove anything they say with hard evidence. Most of them ignore or dismiss science or facts and logical explanations. These people are wired this way, they are immovable for the most part. Nothing we say will ever convince them otherwise but we can go on trying to enlighten them as best we can.If me memory serves me well, didn’t Jesus Christ brandish proselytisers or shouting one’s faith from the rooftops. Seems to me, people like Jeff are doing exactly the opposite, hardly what one might call “christian”.

  67. William - Dublin 27 Mar 2008, 5:50pm

    Robert, I’d say he’s done a runner, just like the other bible freaks we have the joy, nay, pleasure of meeting on our little queer site. They all seem to have the same modus operandi:- they rant, and run after they realise they’re talking garbage and can’t answer a logical question. Jeff didn’t sound the brightest, bless him… a few too many blows to the hippocampus perhaps.As for Captain Birds Eye, Tristan, I totally agree… that bugger is a sinner and an offender of the faithful, what with all them satanic crustaceans. Not to mention all the young kids he has on that ship of his… that ain’t right for a man of his age. Yep, sinner. Definitely. I haven’t seen a boat with that many young boys on it since Ron L Hubbard founded that pack of lunatics the Scientologists!Oh, as for Hell entry, well Tristan, that’s easy… just kiss a boy. Not a member of your own family, mind, according to the bible that kind of sick practice is perfectly okay. If you can’t find a boy, eating a shrimp sandwich will also pass for damnation to hell… or so the bible tells us. What ever is easiest for you

  68. Isaias Ramos Garcia 27 Sep 2008, 11:23am

    you have not invented gunpowder. A.o. erudite & free of prejudice will agree that apart from M. Magdalena, his cousin John (not the baptist, the evangelist) was his lover. He called little John “the beloved disciple” & at the last dine supper this appears with his head laying on Jesus shoulder. No friends who are just friends allow themselves to do that. The problem is that the imbecils & the fanatics have their fixed idea of what being gay is & of what Jesus must have been & one cannot exert his power of conviction upon them. They think that what they believe is the Truth & that is all. Let the stupid burn in the hell of their ignorance!

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