I think what he said is so wrong. There are plenty of countries where it is ok to discriminate against gays but not this one. Why doesn’t he go and live in one of them like Iran?
I agree. If Iqbal doesn’t like it here, he could go to any number of Islamic countries where he would no doubt be warmly welcomed.
You can’t help but be struck by the casual racism underpinning this comment piece. We, the British, show “tolerance of views and practises alien to our own”, which presumably includes Islam. So Muslims are somehow different from “us”, the British, and if they don’t like “our” liberal way of life they have the option of leaving “our” country and pursuing their “alien” practices elsewhere.It’s also worth noting the comments on the Pink News article. “Sam” observes: “There are plenty of countries where it is ok to discriminate against gays but not this one. Why doesn’t he go and live in one of them like Iran?” And “Don” responds: “I agree. If Iqbal doesn’t like it here, he could go to any number of Islamic countries where he would no doubt be warmly welcomed.” This is followed by the note that an “offensive comment” has been removed by Pink News. But the above remarks are apparently not deemed offensive by the moderators. Would they be equally happy with comments suggesting that, since the Chief Rabbi is opposed to Britain’s liberal legislation on gay rights, he too should leave the country?
Though I support his right to express his beliefs and feelings about this, he should stop to think that he lives in a pluralistic, free society where the exchange of ideas is one of the underlying precepts of British democracy. He needs to be reminded of that. His religious beliefs are not compatible with the civil laws of the land. Marriage is a civil right, Civil Partnership is also a civil right. This is about equality, not that Civil Partnership is full equality just yet. All British tax-payers should enjoy the same rights and privileges and that includes marriage rights, without that, there is no true democracy, no matter what one’s religious beliefs are. His response will only incite hatred, intolerance and possible violence against a community of people who deserve equal protection under the law. In turn, he is also inviting intolerance towards his own community. If he can’t accept that, then he should re-evaluate his reasons for remaining in the west. One’s religious beliefs have no place in legislation at any level of government. We must all beg to differ on our differences, not legislate against them.Robert, British expatriate living in New York City.
“As a liberal, I could say to Sir Iqbal: “I disagree with you but I tolerate the right for you to be intolerant.” However, I’m not sure that we can continue be tolerant of those who show so little respect for our liberal way of life.” To which, after we pick ourself up from rolling around on the floor laughing, we ask…When did a liberal ever tolerate anyones right to be “intolerant.”However conservatives, traditionalists, right-wingers, or whatever ARE EXPECTED to be tolerant of those who show so little respect for our “conservative way” of life. Or else they’ll be prosecuted to the full extent of our quasi-communazi state for thought crime.Gosh — all this trying to rememeber who it’s PC to be tolerant and/or intolerant of, is making my head spin.Hey, did you hear about the Gay Activist who asked the Muslimo-terrorist would he like some head?Yeah, write your own punchline…
Point 1 Iqbal Sacranie is a narrow minded bigot.Point 2 He has a perfect right to be a narrow minded bigot in a free and democratic society.People who say he should leave or be thrown out of the country because he has expressed these views are racist, sorry.Do they say that about Stephen Green? Or a whole host of other white homophobic bigots?I am with Voltaire on this one. I hate what he says but defend his right to say it – within certain limits which he has not crossed eg incitement to violence and murder should never be tolerated (and are about other homophobes than him).
Point 1 Iqbal Sacranie is a narrow minded bigot.Counter Point 1. Actually he represents “mainstream” Muslim opinion. So what’s exactly is your point here is stating the bleeding obvious.Point Whatever: People who say he should leave or be thrown out of the country because he has expressed these views are racist, sorry.Counter Point Whatever: That’s the knee-jerk un-nuanced view leftoids always fall back on. You’re a racist yada yada ayda. Blow me.Point Whatever 2: I am with Voltaire on this oneAu Contraire Point: No your not. You’re with all the communazi thought police in this UK. The fact that you immediatley play the PC leftoid/libernazi “racist” card, with all that implies in trying to close down any debate or discussion shows that clearly.
The views he expressed are no different from those held by, for example, the Catholic church. So are we going to investigate them for homophobia? Anglicanism is divided right down the middle on the issue. I note the only religious leader they quote is a liberal rabbi. Not the most prolific religious group in the UK. (An Orthodox rabbi would be in full agreement with the view, and view homosexual acts as “an abomination”.) Newsflash: almost all organised religion is anti-homosexual. (Personally I disagree with the lot and am an athiest BTW.)
Actually Anon… last time I checked, Catholics and/or other Christians weren’t organizing public executions of homosexuals by hanging them from a crane.Unlike the RoP (that’s the Religion of “Peace” by the way)…For instance..Shame of IranU.S. remains silent on gay hangings by DOUG IRELANDAnd you think “atheists” are superior human beings do you? Wow… no judgemental attitudes there huh?
Reading this article, it seems to me that you Brits are facing the same problems we encounter here in Canada.I was raised to be tolerant and acceptant of differences. But as I get older, the more I see intolerance: less from Canadian-born citizens, such as myself, but more and more from “neo-Canadians”. Those with other religions and/or official-language than the two founding nations of this country. If beeing gay is wrong and immoral for the immigrants, then beeing muslim or speaking hindu, for example, might be wrong for me.Tolerance and acceptance goes both ways:we tolerate the newcommers’ differences but they have to accept our way of living and thinking. They must accept that Canada has a civil government not a theocratic one.
There is one answer – Vote BNP
The BNP are the most homophobic political party in this country.